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Information on Peter Fegan & Arthur Fegan
« on: Monday 18 March 19 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Wiki Profile:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Fegan-124

Born: 1812

Looking for further information.  I believe the father's name is Arthur Fegan.
http://rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/F/Fegan.htm

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Re: Information on Peter Fegan & Arthur Fegan
« Reply #1 on: Monday 18 March 19 17:12 GMT (UK) »
You really need to tell us what information you are after so we don't waste our time looking for what you already have.
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Re: Information on Peter Fegan & Arthur Fegan
« Reply #2 on: Monday 18 March 19 17:19 GMT (UK) »
This is the information I have on one of the son's, Peter.   I can not seem to find birth, marriage, or death records for Aurthur. 

Peter was born about 1812.

Dispensation of Banns granted at Newry Catholic Church 27 Feb 1832; Peter Fegan married Bridget McGiveran from Kilbroney parish 28 Feb 1832 at Kilbroney Catholic Church

Peter Fegan husband of Bridget McGivern / McGiveran/McGinnis ; father of Bernard bpt. 26 Jun 1833 & Arthur bpt. 3 Jan 1836, Catherine bpt. 14 Jan 1839, & Prter bpt. 14 Jan 1842 & Mary bpt. 7 Apr 1844 & Rose bpt. 9 Feb 1849 at a Clonallan Catholic Church

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Re: Information on Peter Fegan & Arthur Fegan
« Reply #3 on: Monday 18 March 19 18:27 GMT (UK) »
Is that your wikitree? if not, have you tried contacting the owner to exchange details?

Catholic Parish registers-
https://registers.nli.ie/

Civil registrations- deaths after 1864-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

Lots of other suggestions on County Down board under DOWN RESOURCES.
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Re: Information on Peter Fegan & Arthur Fegan
« Reply #4 on: Monday 18 March 19 23:18 GMT (UK) »
A long post, I hope you aren't as cross-eyed when you finish with it as I am :)

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I think Peter Fegan who married Bridget McGivern might have been born before 1812.

They married in 1832 as you said. Here is the parish register entry:

Clonallan Parish
February 28, 1832, Kilbroney Parish marriage register
Peter Fegan was married to Bridget McGivern in presence of Bridget McGivern and Jas McGivern

P McEvoy, Pastor of Kilbroney

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633278#page/47/mode/1up

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They had children until 1849, assuming rosdavies.com is correct. There is no reason to say it isn't, I just didn't look for the baptisms.

Did she live a full life or die in childbirth? If a full life, then say Bridget was maybe 40 to 45 when her last child was born. She would then be born about 1809 at the latest. Peter would probably have been older. But maybe she did die young, and you can't go by that.

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at https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/

Peter Fegan is not the man who died September 27, 1879 in Fiefcrom[?], age 65
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06501/4872035.pdf

so is he this man, whose record is not available for free:
Name   PETER FEGAN
Date of Death   1873
Group Registration ID   N/R
SR District/Reg Area   Newry
Deceased Age at Death   76
Returns Year   1873
Returns Quarter   2
Returns Volume No   6
Returns Page No   634

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01njq/

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He might be, but I actually don't think he is either one of them. The land was in his son Bernard Fegan's name when Griffith's Valuation was taken in 1863-4 (see below), so there is a good chance his father Peter died before that.

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Bernard married Eliza Crawford May 3, 1859, as you know. here is the parish register:

May 3, 1859, Clonallon Parish marriage register
Bernard Fagan and Eliza Crawford
witnesses: James Flanigan and Eliza Crawford

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633256#page/50/mode/1up

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I've seen a lot of cases where the son didn't marry until after the father died, so maybe Bernard's father Peter died shortly before 1859. There are no burials for Clonallan Parish at nli.ie, so it will be difficult to figure when he died. But are the burial registers anywhere else?

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Are you looking at this man as a possible father of Peter Fegan, husband of Bridget McGivern?
from http://rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/F/Fegan.htm

Arthur    FEGAN    .    Kilbroney    husband of Saregh Ferin ; father of Mary bpt. 14 Nov 1808 at Kilbroney Catholic Church    PR
Arthur    FAGAN    .    Kilbroney    husband of Saragh ..... (can't read) ; father of Peter bpt. 28 Jun 1812 at Kilbroney Catholic Church

Arguments against this man being the father of Peter Fegan who married Bridget McGivern: his children were baptized in Kilbroney Parish, not Clonallan.
Arguments for him: I didn't find any Fegans in the Tithe Applotment lists (1834) for Aghnamoira Townland, Clonallan Parish. Maybe they moved there between 1834 and Griffith's Valuation.

You'd have to see what happened to this Arthur and his son Peter. are they on the later land records in Kilbroney? If so, did a son Peter take the land from him later? If so, then he is not your man, because your family was in Aghnamoira by 1864.

He could be this man in kilbroney parish, on the Tithe Applotment Lists, 1834, to give you a start of where to look:
Fegan, Arthur  Townland: Knockbarra

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Here is Bernard's civil death record
Newry Registration District
April 10, 1907
in Aughamoira
Bernard Fegan, 74, farmer, cause: probably apoplexy, no medical attendant. informant: Kate Fegan, daughter in law, of Aughamoira, present at death

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Here is how I traced the land backward. You have to start at the bottom and work up. You can see the land change hands toward the end of Bernard's life. I don't understand why it went to Joseph Crawford for a few years before going to his son Patrick, but this was the only Bernard in that townland in the Revision books:

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Griffith's Valuation
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

Aghnamoira
Parcel 14: Bernard Fegan, house, office, land from Roger Hall

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Valuation Revision Books
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/Search.aspx

Aghnamoira    Clonallan    Down
VAL/12/B/22/23A (1866 - 1874)
Parcel 14
1866: in hands of Bernard Fegan

Aghnamoira    Clonallan    Down
VAL/12/B/22/23B (1875 - 1882)
Parcel 14
1875: in hands of Bernard Fegan


Aghnamoira    Clonallan    Down
VAL/12/B/22/23D (1883 - 1893)
Parcel 14
1883: in hands of Bernard Fegan


Aghnamoira    Clonallan    Down
VAL/12/B/22/25A (1894 - 1907)
Parcel 14
1894: in hands of Bernard Fegan
1906: in hands of Joseph Crawford

Aghnamoira    Clonallan    Down
VAL/12/B/22/25B (1908 - 1920)

Aghamoira
Parcel 14
1908: in hands of Joseph Crawford
1911: transferred to Patrick Fegan

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Re: Information on Peter Fegan & Arthur Fegan
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 19 March 19 10:14 GMT (UK) »
I should have added that the point of the whole post was to try to find a source for Peter Fegan's age at death, so you could work backward to a year of birth. All you have now is his marriage record from the parish and that doesn't give an age.

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Re: Information on Peter Fegan & Arthur Fegan
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 19 March 19 12:24 GMT (UK) »
I think this eliminates Arthur Fegan, husband of Sarah Ferin, of Kilbroney, as the parent of Peter Fegan who married Bridget McGivern.

These are the land records for Arthur and Peter, in Knockbarra/Knockbarragh Townland, Kilbroney Parish. Peter died in 1890 at the age of 78. If that age is correct, then he was born in 1812, matching Arthur and Sarah (Ferin) Fegan's son's baptism year, found at http://rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/F/Fegan.htm. I didn't find this Peter's wife's death, but he had a daughter named Sarah, who was the informant when he died.

Tithe Applotment Lists, 1834.
Fegan, Arthur  Townland: Knockbarra

Griffith's Valuation (1863-1864)
parish of kilbroney Fagan, Peter land  Knockbarragh

Knockbarragh
Parcel 44a House, office, land from Alexander Small
44b Mary Fagan house and garden

VAL/12/B/19/21A (1865 - 1878)
Knockbarragh, Parcel 44a
1865: in hands of Peter Fagan

VAL/12/B/19/21B (1877 - 1883)
Knockbarragh, Parcel 44a
1877: in hands of Peter Fagan

VAL/12/B/19/21C (1884 - 1894)
Knockbarragh, Parcel 44a
1884: in hands of Peter Fagan
1892: transferred to John Fagan

edited to add his death record:

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Superintendent Registrar's District: Kilkeel
Registrar's District: Rostrevor
Deaths
in Knockbarragh
November 26, 1890
Peter Fegan, widower, 78, a farmer, of chronic bronchitis (1 year), dilated heart, certified.
informant: Sarah Fegan, daughter, of Knockbarragh, present at death.

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Re: Information on Peter Fegan & Arthur Fegan
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 23 March 19 17:44 GMT (UK) »
How would I access this "Tithe Applotment Lists, 1834"?

Thank you!

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Re: Information on Peter Fegan & Arthur Fegan
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 23 March 19 17:55 GMT (UK) »
How would I access this "Tithe Applotment Lists, 1834"?

Thank you!

Toward the bottom of this page:
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/county-down-genealogy.php

You're welcome.
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