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Mary Millward (Millwood, Milwood or Millard), abt 1806 West Bromwich
« on: Wednesday 20 March 19 13:07 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to firm up the identify of the wife of Edward Holland of West Bromwich (1801-1872). There are one or two other threads on Rootschat dealing with his descendants.

The only suitable marriage I (and others) seem to have found was on the old Family Search site as follows:

Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record.
EDWARD HOLLAND
Spouse: MARY MILLARD
Marriage: 28 DEC 1823 Saint Marys, Handsworth, Stafford, England

Source Information:
Batch No.:      Dates:      Source Call No.:    Type:   Printout Call No.:Type:
M098671     1810 - 1825     0426554     Film    NONE
M098671     1825 - 1834     0426555     Film    NONE
M098671     1834 - 1837     0426556     Film    NONE
Sheet: 00

The name seems to have now become Milward...

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV2N-4LF

Detail page:
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MCSR-3GZ

Her year of birth is put at 1804; I'm sure I came across another record for her with an 1802 birth date but I can't seem to find it again now!

According to birth certificate of their youngest child (William, the only one born after registrations began in 1837), Mary's surname is Millwood, which could easily have been Millward misheard by the registrar:

HOLLAND, WILLIAM MILLWOOD
GRO Reference: 1841 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 18 Page 576

On the 1841 census (Virgin's End, West Bromwich), there is a widow Ann Millward living nearby, who could be Mary's mother, and a Thomas Millward, possibly a brother, a few doors further on. The possibility of these people being related only came to mind when I found the same Thomas Millward living next door on the 1851 census - by which time they had moved to a new address! I haven't had time to look into these other Millwards yet.

The age at death and on the censuses put her year of birth abt 1806.

I'm not aware of any connection with Handsworth so why they would have married there rather than at All Saints which was very close by I can't imagine. That said, Handsworth did come under West Bromwich at that time so maybe she was born there.

Unfortunately she was unable to write her name so the marriage register has the usual 'x'.

Any thoughts welcome!



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Re: Mary Millward (Millwood, Milwood or Millard), abt 1806 West Bromwich
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 March 19 17:10 GMT (UK) »
Can you post the links to previous threads to avoid possible duplication of info?
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Re: Mary Millward (Millwood, Milwood or Millard), abt 1806 West Bromwich
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 20 March 19 18:29 GMT (UK) »
Can you post the links to previous threads to avoid possible duplication of info?

They're not specifically about Mary (or her husband) but about their descendants, for example I've had this long running one:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=460460.0

(I've actually made some progress on that in the last week or two, after twenty odd years!).

If I can find the others I'll post the links here.




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Re: Mary Millward (Millwood, Milwood or Millard), abt 1806 West Bromwich
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 March 19 07:58 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: Annette7
Mary Milward bp.14/10/1804 West Bromwich, dau. of Edward and Ann (per FindMyPast) + various siblings. 

Edward Milward married Ann Fitton 1/12/1793 West Bromwich.

Church appears to be All Saints, West Bromwich and details taken from transcriptions of the parish registers.

Annette


Thanks Annette, I've seen those.

The detail view on Family Search has Mary's birth as 1802 (bapt 1804 as you say) but with parents Edward Millward and Ann Mary Elizabeth Brown, married at Hatfield, Herts in 1804. I think that is probably wrong as places, surname spelling, mother's age and year of birth don't quite fit. I can't see any sources mentioned for these 'facts' which seem to have been edited by various people but with no explanation.

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Re: Mary Millward (Millwood, Milwood or Millard), abt 1806 West Bromwich
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 March 19 13:09 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Annette that is the likely Marriage 1793.
They Bapt children;
ANN    05 Jun 1797
JOHN 22 May 1799, buried    01 Mar 1800
JOHN 30 Mar 1801
EDWARD 01 Nov 1802, buried 17 Sep 1803
MARY 14 Oct 1804***
SARAH 24 Dec 1809
JOSEPH 26 Jan 1812, buried 03 Mar 1812 age 7 weeks
EDWARD 13 Jun 1813**
JOSEPH 02 Jun 1822**

** Edwards 1813 Bapt has abode as Virgins End, Fathers occp Smith
** Josephs 1822 Bapt has same address and Edwards occp as a Coach Jobbing Smith

There is also a child HANNAH Bapt 31 Mar 1794 to Edward/Alice that may be theirs also

Burials
EDWARD Milward 11 Aug 1825 age 55, abode Virgins End*
(1775)

All above on FreeREG.

Trish :)
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Re: Mary Millward (Millwood, Milwood or Millard), abt 1806 West Bromwich
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 March 19 13:31 GMT (UK) »
Looks like it is Marys Mother living nearby to Edward/Mary Holland in 1841 Census and also her Brother;
Ann MILLWARD, 65, Widow
Joseph Millward, 19, Smith

I dont think Thomas Millard is Edward/Anns Son;
Bapt 16 Jul 1815 West Bromwich to THOMAS/LUCY
(FreeREG)

Cant pin down a Burial for Ann 1841-1851
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Re: Mary Millward (Millwood, Milwood or Millard), abt 1806 West Bromwich
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 March 19 13:55 GMT (UK) »
It is also possible the Hannah Milward 1794 is this one;


1851 Census
Hannah Bartram 55 born West Bromwich
Joseph Bartram   17
Thomas Evans   27
Jane Evans   23
Thomas Evans   1

Hannah MILLARD married Thomas BARTRUM 3 Jan 1813,Saint Matthew, Walsall

1841 she is living next door to Ann/Joseph Millward;
Hannah Marthow 45
Louisa Marthow   15
Thomas Marthow 15
Jane Marthow   13
Joseph Marthow   8
Image is hard to read so in 1851 I searched for Josseph Bar* 1833

1861 Census;
Charles Hodgett   39
Louisa Hodgett   37
HANNAH Batram 67 (1794) Mother (should be Mother in Law)
Louisa J Evans   7
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Re: Mary Millward (Millwood, Milwood or Millard), abt 1806 West Bromwich
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 March 19 21:03 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that lot :D

I've seen many of those but there is some new stuff there, i need to draw some of it out on paper :D

Interesting things...

The death of Ann Milward (Fitton) that you couldn't find:
Deaths Mar 1848 MILLWARD Ann W Bromwich 18 556

Strange that Thomas Millward was about 5 doors away in 1841 but living next door at a new address in 1851. I'll look into that bapt you posted, perhaps he is a cousin.

Edward Holland & Mary Milward marriage witnesses were Thomas & Hannah Bardlam I've attached the register entry which shows these 'Bardlams' and Mary's name as 'Millard'. Someone obviously had trouble with spelling or hearing!

They were certainly living in each others pockets!




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Re: Mary Millward (Millwood, Milwood or Millard), abt 1806 West Bromwich
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 23 March 19 09:36 GMT (UK) »
I am glad I could be of some help.

It looks like it is not your Ann who died 1848.

MILLWARD, ANN age 1** 
GRO Reference: 1848  M Quarter in WEST BROMWICH  Volume 18  Page 556

Yes the certainly lived in one anothers pockets :)

EDIT;
FreeREG has that Ann buried 06 Feb 1848 age 1 year 3 mths
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