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Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« on: Wednesday 20 March 19 23:29 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to find more information regarding my great-great grandfather. Because he was born in Newcastle-Emlyn, I am struggling to go back further as it straddles different counties. An archivist in Carmarthen, felt I should look in Carmarthenshire, but I do not know what that was based upon, as my information said N Castle Emlyn, Cardiganshire, Wales.

My main questions are, who were his parents and how do I go back before 1834?


Thomas Williams b. 1838 Newcastle Emlyn, married Margaret b. 1836 Laugharne. They had at least five children; Thomas b. 1871, Elizabeth b. 1863, Margaret b. 1866, Sarah b.1872 and John Howell b. 1877. Margaret Williams mother and daughter are buried in the chapel graveyard, Laugharne. There is a broken headstone saying the mother died in 1889 and the daughter died aged 22 years. As both are buried in the chapel, I assume they were chapel rather than church. To confirm this, I cannot find his burial in the records of Laugharne church. My church records do not go back far enough for the wedding. Chapel records are lost.

Also, what was her maiden name?

1881 Census - Folio: RG11 5395/58 - It says on Family Search, Thomas Williams, the father, was born in N Castle Emlyn, Cardiganshire, Wales. His wife and all children, were born in Laugharne ((N Castle Emlyn)), Carmarther, Wales. I do not understand the brackets, and I cannot find Census information before or after 1881.
Thompson, Ikin, Oakes and Goulding of Winsford, Cheshire
Williams from Newcastle Emlyn, Cardigan
Brown and Rowlands from Laugharne
Richards from Haverfordwest

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 20 March 19 23:55 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
1881 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-P2ZW

The brackets are mistakenly copied from the ‘C’ in Carmarthen and then dittoed for the children.

Here is the family minus Thomas in 1871
1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55Q-QKW

https://www.gro.gov.uk/

Seems to indicate mother’s maiden name as Howell or Howells

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 21 March 19 00:15 GMT (UK) »
A likely Marriage

Carmarthen December 1855  vol  11a pg 997
Margaret Howell
Thomas Williams

This would give you their fathers’ names
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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 21 March 19 09:55 GMT (UK) »
On the 1871 census, Margaret gives her place of birth as Llansadwrnen, a couple of miles from Laugharne

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llansadwrnen

Possible 1841 census
Llansadwrnen Village HO107/1382/21 folio 4 pg 2
Margret Howell 40
Mary 13
David 11
John 8
Margret 7
Thomas 5
all born in county

From FreeReg, possible baptisms to Jonah Howell & Margaret Powell at Laugharne Old Chapel
John 3 June 1832
Margaret 2 July 1834
Thomas 4 May 1836

Marriage 10 Jan 1818 at Llansadwrnen parish church of Jonah Howell of Eglwys Cymyn, labourer, and Margaret Howell of Llansadwrnen. Both mark, witnesses James Welsh, Thomas Meriman  & ? Mess?
There is another Jonah & Margaret Howell of similar age with similarly named children in St Clears, but that Margaret was a Lewis. And just to make it more interesting, that Margaret is living in Laugharne in 1851.


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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 21 March 19 17:27 GMT (UK) »
Thanks All,
I had traced her maiden name, parents and children; but being inexperienced at this I was unsure, so thought it best to ask. The replies seem to indicate the same, but I will get their certificates, more out of curiosity. They lived at a farm called Little Mountain, which is still standing. The surname makes sense as Howell keeps appearing as a middle name, including my father. As it branches away from my line, the names I would like are the parents of Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn.  I have registered to buy certificates, so now need their marriage certificate Carmarthen December 1855  vol 11a page 997.
Thompson, Ikin, Oakes and Goulding of Winsford, Cheshire
Williams from Newcastle Emlyn, Cardigan
Brown and Rowlands from Laugharne
Richards from Haverfordwest

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 21 March 19 17:30 GMT (UK) »
It is best to post if you have already found the information - you can always add that you are seeking confirmation.
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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 21 March 19 17:52 GMT (UK) »
On the GRO website it says I cannot order marriage certificates online. Any suggestions?
Thompson, Ikin, Oakes and Goulding of Winsford, Cheshire
Williams from Newcastle Emlyn, Cardigan
Brown and Rowlands from Laugharne
Richards from Haverfordwest

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 21 March 19 18:05 GMT (UK) »
you can order online. Go to 'Place an Order', you need to state type of event, year and tick yes to having the reference.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 21 March 19 22:53 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Osprey,
I followed your instruction and ordered the certificate.
Being new to this, it helps when someone knows what to do.
Thompson, Ikin, Oakes and Goulding of Winsford, Cheshire
Williams from Newcastle Emlyn, Cardigan
Brown and Rowlands from Laugharne
Richards from Haverfordwest