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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #18 on: Friday 29 March 19 20:05 GMT (UK) »
1841 census doesn't give places of birth, just whether they were born in county, in Ireland, Scotland or Foreign parts. For that family, all born in county.

1851 Llanstephan Village HO107/2472 folio 371 pg 1
Mary William head mar 47 mariner's wife
David son 13
John son 9
Annah dau 7
George son 4
all born Llanstephan

George baptised in Llanstephan Oct 1846 son of John, mariner, and Mary. Possible birth regs in sept qtr 1846 have mother's maiden name as Jones or Davies.
Possible marriage 26 Dec 1825 in Llanstephan for John Williams & Mary Davis, both marked, both otp, and witnessed by David Lewis & John Davies, both signed.
can't see parish baptisms in Llanstephan for any of the other children.

Don't assume that parents are likely to be witnesses, in the families I've followed, it's more often siblings or friends.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #19 on: Friday 29 March 19 20:23 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Osprey, The information provided I had not found. Although I can see this is not the family I will look further as Mariner from Newcastle Emlyn may open a path. Her father Jonah Howell was also a Labourer, but in the 1841 Census is a Mariner.

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #20 on: Friday 29 March 19 20:31 GMT (UK) »
Had typed this up, census entry & marriage of the other Thomas

1861 census Llanstephan Village RG9/4138 folio 52 pg 13
Thomas Williams head mar 32 carrier
Rachel wife 29
John son 16 months
all born Llanstephan

Later census entries family is in Llanelli

Marriage 9 Dec 1858 in Abergwili parish church
Thomas Williams full bachelor carrier Llanstephan father John Williams, Sailor &
Rachel Lewis full spinster Penybank, father John Lewis, labourer
witnesses Henry Jones & Richard Williams, all signed except Rachel
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #21 on: Friday 29 March 19 20:59 GMT (UK) »
death notice for Margaret from newspaper dated 12 June 1908, still in Gosport Street

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3763585/3763590/48/
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #22 on: Friday 29 March 19 21:23 GMT (UK) »
Her broken gravestone is where the Philadelphia Independent Chapel stood. I could read 8th Damaged 1908, so now I know it is June. Also on the gravestone is their daughter also Margaret aged 22 years. The oldest daughter Esther was baptised in Llansadurnen, but after that they supported the new chapel much further away, but each baptism says they were still living in Llansadurnen.

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #23 on: Friday 29 March 19 21:36 GMT (UK) »
The Jane Killa I gave you was the same age as Margaret and a neighbour.
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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #24 on: Friday 29 March 19 21:54 GMT (UK) »
1901 census has a possible entry for Thomas working as a navvy in a lodging house in Llanelli RG13/5089 folio 121 pg 16, And there's this from a newspaper 9 Feb 1906 which may be son Thomas not maintaining his mother

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3584072/3584076/21/

1901 Portfield, Haverfordwest RG13/5130 folio 50 pg 6
Thomas Williams head mar 30 hawker b. Laugharne
Martha wife 29 b. Walton West
Martha dau 7
Thomas son 6
John son 4
Agnes Richards wife's sister 16
all others born Haverfordwest
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #25 on: Friday 29 March 19 22:11 GMT (UK) »
more info from a previous court appearance - under maintenance order

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4358316/4358322/43/
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Williams born Newcastle Emlyn lived in Laugharne
« Reply #26 on: Friday 29 March 19 22:22 GMT (UK) »
Thomas Son 6 is my grandfather
Martha is Martha Jane Richards
From a newspaper article when Thomas (Head) died it also named Violet May Williams and Florence as daughters.
There are links within my family between Haverfordwest and Laugharne. Thomas (son) married Margaret Elizabeth Victoria Brown of Laugharne in 1915 at Merthyr Tydfil; they were cousins.