John Palmer, Hokitika

[blacksmithy]

Hi
thank you for reading this post and offering any insights.

I am researching John Palmer born Portsmouth approx. 1840 to Grace Spinner and George Palmer.
I am looking for information regarding his departure and arrival in New Zealand. 

His marriage certificate to Ellen/Helen Louisa Kilsby occurs in Victoria Australia and states he is a usual resident of Hokitika New Zealand.  This means he must have come to NZ and travelled to Australia.  We do not know if he knew Ellen/Helen through some previous event or how long he stayed in Australia for.    John and Ellen/Helen came to NZ and had 3 children.  Sadly Helen died in child birth.  John later went on to marry and we have a good knowledge of this part of his life. 

John may have left England with a possible brother - ?Henry.
Again thank you in advance for your thoughts.
Pauline

[wivenhoe]

You have this marriage certificate -
VIC BDM marriage
KILSBY Helen Louisa  marr.  PALMER John      212 / 1877

Can you please list all the information on this certificate.


G(eneral) R(egister) O(ffice) births  with mothers maiden surname SPINNER
PALMER, George 1839 MarQ   Portsea Island Union   Vol 07 / page 108
PALMER, Edwin  1841 JunQ    Portsea Island Union    Vol 07 / page 111   
PALMER, James  1841 DecQ    Portsea Island Union   Vol 07 / page 114   
PALMER, John      1840 MarQ   Portsea Island Union   VOL 07 / page 114

[wivenhoe]

Possibly your........big..... family?

G(eneral) R(egister) O(ffice) births  with mothers maiden surname SPINNER

PALMER Henry                  1843 MarQ  Portsea Island Union  Vol 07 / page 117
PALMER, James                 1844 MarQ  Portsea Island Union  Vol 07 / page 134
PALMER, Sarah Jane          1845 MarQ  Portsea Island Union  Vol 07 / page 124 
PALMER, William               1845 DecQ  Portsea Island Union  Vol 07 / page 124   
PALMER, Edwin Cornelius   1846 DecQ  Portsea Island Union  Vol 07 / page 128
PALMER, Robert                1847 SepQ  Portsea Island Union  Vol 07 / page 120      
PALMER, Alfred             1849 MarQ  Portsea Island Union  Vol 07 / page 144

Census 1851 at Conway Row Portsea Hampshire
PALMER George          27 ..37?     grocer?                       
PALMER Grace            35y                                               
PALMER George          12y
PALMER Edwin           10y
PALMER William          9y
PALMER James            5y
PALMER John               4y
PALMER Robert           3y
PALMER Alfred            2y
PALMER Martha       sister    20 yrs  servant       all born Portsea

[trish1120]

Something is off with that 1851 Census;

I have on Anc;
George Palmer   37
Grace Palmer   35
George Palmer   12
John Palmer   4
Edwin Palmer   10
Willm Palmer   9
James Palmer   5
Probert Palmer   3
Alfred Palmer   2
Martha Palmer   20

The way it is ordered  it would appear  John is older than 4.
The image has lines through it so is hard to read.
So likely John is 11.

John may be with his Grandparents in 1841;
James Palmer   55 Sawyer
Ann Palmer   55
Jane Palmer   19
John Palmer   14
MARTHA Palmer   12****
JOHN Palmer   1********
Martha Cutter   20
Mary Higwell   30

Name: Je... George Palmer
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 11 Jul 1813
Baptism Place:   St. Mary's, Portsea, Hampshire, England
Father: James Palmer
Mother: Ann Palmer

Back to your original question;
I found these 2 arrivals on the Auckland Libraries site

John PALMER;

Vessel
Avalanche
Date of arrival
1860-05-07
(down as John J Palmer so may not be yours)


Vessel
Portland
Date of arrival
1869-04-26

Anc has Victorian outward passenger list but there are a lot of John or J Palmer.

From his NZ Death Cert how long does it say he was in NZ?

[blacksmithy]

Hi
thanks for your research.  Yes the age of John did confuse me when he turned out to be 4yrs old. 
Johns marriage to Helen Louisa Kilsby:

Married Jan 16th 1877 at St Paul's Sandhurst Victoria Aust.  John Palmer Bachelor born Portsmouth England, occ Miner, age 35 present residence Sandhurst, usual- Hokitika NZ, Names of parenst George Palmer (Grocer) and Grace Spinner.

Helen Lousia Kilsby, Spinser, Birthplace Castlemain Victoria, no occupation, age 21, present Sandhurst, parents William Kilsby (Farmer), Helen Barnes.   
Church of England
Witness' are possibly Mr Kilsby and Sarah Wallis- hard to read.

Are waiting for death cert.

thanks again, I still struggle to access shipping records - so a work in progress for me.

Pauline

[minniehaha]

Unclaimed letters @ Greymouth PO [1867]- Henry Palmer….

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/GRA18671017.2.20.5?query=hy%20palmer&start_date=01-01-1867&end_date=31-12-1867&snippet=true&title=IT,KUMAT,LTCBG,WCT,WEST,GEST,CHARG,GRA


Minniehaha.

[wivenhoe]

G(eneral) R(egister) O(ffice) births  with mothers maiden surname SPINNER

PALMER, Mary Ann      MarQ  1848 Portsea Island Union  Vol 07 / Page 129
PALMER, Alice Grace    SepQ 1850 Portsea Island Union  Vol 07 / Page 86
PALMER, Emily            JunQ  1850 Portsea Island Union  Vol 07 / Page 134
PALMER, Emily            SepQ  1851 Portsea Island Union  Vol 07 / Page 130
PALMER, Louisa Grace  DecQ  1855  Portsea Island Union Vol 02B  / Page 305
PALMER, Alice Grace    SepQ  1857  Portsea Island Union Vol 02B / Page 341

[wivenhoe]

Census 1861  at 2 Conway Street Portsea Hampshire
PALMER George                47y     grocer and cow keeper             
PALMER Grace                  44y
PALMER George                22y     butchers app.
PALMER James                 17y     bakers app.
PALMER William                15y    shop boy
PALMER Robert                 13y    scholar
PALMER Alfred                  11y
PALMER Amelia                 10y
PALMER Eliza                      8y
PALMER Louisa                   6y
PALMER Henry                    2y                                            all born Portsea

SPINNER Grace                 76y   mother in law, widow          b. Middlesex London

[sparrett]

Hi,
Not sure if you are looking at the KILSBY family to ascertain their origins and check for any previuos  connection to John PALMER.
For your interest, The births to the couple William KILSBY and wife Helen nee BARNES, began in Vic from 1852.And prior to that he had been in South Australia.

This obituary gives a good little biography .  A bit vague about relatives though.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/227846768

His wife died in 1897. He lived at Water Street, Bendigo as in the obit above
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/89461600

Helen KILSBY
Age   71
Death Place Bendigo, 
Father Barnes Wm
Year 1897
Reg    11462


ADDING
This is the arrival in South Aust. of one William KILSBY.
KILSBY / KELSBY William arrived in SA 1850-03-24 aboard Sea Queen from London 1849-12-12 via Plymouth

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