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Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 24 March 19 17:01 GMT (UK) »
i might have to do just that as information is very limited on her
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Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
« Reply #10 on: Monday 25 March 19 22:13 GMT (UK) »
I see no reason to leap to the conclusion that Fanny was the product of an incestuous relationship. It’s not imposssible, of course, but straightforward illegitimacy was pretty common.

Anyhow, looking at the 1851 census, the Eyrl family included the following:

Thomas, head, age 38, ag lab
Lucy, wife, age 32
Elizabeth, daughter, age 10
William, son, age 7
Lucy, daughter, age 4
Tom, son, age 2

There is the marriage of an Elizabeth Eyrl in Barrow in 1858; if it weren’t for this I would assume that Elizabeth was probably Fanny’s mother. Interestingly another child called Fanny Eyrl was born and died in Barrow in 1856-1858, and it’s such an odd name I’d be surprised if they weren’t connected.

Edited to add : Fanny b 1856 seems to have been Thomas and Lucy’s child. They had other older children too; Mary, b 1836, was unmarried and working as a servant in 1861; another possible candidate for Fanny’s mum?

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Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 10:03 GMT (UK) »
The hint about Lucy might be correct, although she would only have been 13-14 at the time. In 1861, she and brother Tom were at home, with Fanny described as 'daughter in law'. In 1868 she married George William Naylor and lived in Preston, Rutland, until her death in 1925.

Perhaps the reason of no baptism was the age of Lucy?

Mary, the other possibility, was buried in Thrussington on 20th August 1861.

Only guessing and, as pointed out, the birth certificate should answer the question.

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Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 10:42 GMT (UK) »
There was another daughter of Thomas & Lucy -  Ann baptised 21 May 1835.
It looks as though she married when she was 17 - 12 Apr 1852 to Ward Norwell
Ward Norwell has his children with him in 1861 but no wife though he says he was married. Again in 1871 he is married but no wife there.

There was an Ann Eyrl of Thrussington who married in Melborne Australia (Stamford Mercury 29 November 1861) apparently the marriage was 4th May 1861 - she married C W Leggett.
Was she Thomas's daughter - Maybe she was Fanny's mother.  (There was also another Ann Eyrl who was baptised the year befor Thomas's Ann, the illegitimate daughter of Martha but she died in infancy.)

If you get the certificate please let us know who did give birth to Fanny.
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Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 12:43 GMT (UK) »
without looking at all the online registers again, I remember that last night I saw another Eyrl baptism in the mid 1860s, an illegitimate child with Lucy as mother.

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Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 13:29 GMT (UK) »
It was in 1865 - Mary Ann daughter of Lucy.  By that time Thomas & Lucy's dtr Lucy would have been 18
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Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 15:12 GMT (UK) »
just ordered the birth cert and will post results when i have them. i'm glad you guys are as confused as i was  :)
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Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi
There are a few burials for Thrussington on NBI
Lucy daughter of Thomas & Lucy burial 26 Oct 1842 infant
Frances daughter of Thomas & Lucy burial 1 Sept 1851 infant
William son of Martha burial 27 Aug 1842 infant
Mary Ann daughter of Lucy burial 5 July 1865
Lucy (sen) wife of Thomas burial 13 Nov 1874 aged 56yrs so born about 1818.

So that leaves Mary b 1836, Ann born 1835 or Elizabeth born 1840.

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Re: Fanny eyrl, eyal, earl
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 27 March 19 07:14 GMT (UK) »

So that leaves Mary b 1836, Ann born 1835 or Elizabeth born 1840.

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They had another daughter Lucy (mentioned earlier) who was born 1847 who is also a contender though she would only have been 14.
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