Thanks Carol, my error in typing was thinking Clifton was in Somerset, thinking of the bridge as you drive under it, and of course it is not Somerset!!!! Im blaming this horrid flu I have. Have gone with the Newton Abbot, Devon Death, it fits age wise, and in the right area, for his occupation. Thanks for the help. Going back over old research, checking it before I go to Devon to research, and I keep finding things I could not find last time, and still finding hard!