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St Aubyn Burke - Where to start?
« on: Tuesday 26 March 19 11:06 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to find out exactly where Eileen Gertrude St. Aubyn Burke is from. I'm new to Irish genealogy, I didn't even realise I had an ancestor from here that was so closely related until a week ago. I've looked on irishgenealogy.ie, I couldn't find anything for her in the church records (I believe civil registration wasn't around when she was born). Although, I wouldn't be surprised if I'm not using it correctly.

Here are all the details I have, I don't think I have enough to find anything about her from Ireland unfortunately. All my English ancestors were much easier to track...

Given names: Eileen Gertrude St. Aubyn
Surname: Burke
Birth: approx. 1858, Ireland
Marriage: 23rd of December 1884, New South Wales, Australia
Husband: Henry John Murray (born in New Zealand)
Death: 4th of September 1926, Christchurch, New Zealand

Father: John St. Aubyn Burke
Father's occupation: Squatter
Mother: Stella Chester

Her marriage record: https://i.imgur.com/bZEQHfH.png
Her son's enlistment paper: https://i.imgur.com/058nZam.jpg

Those are the only two documents I have of her. I'll be ordering her death certificate soon, but I doubt it'll have any useful information in regards to where she was born.

As her father's occupation is listed as a "squatter", I believe he must have moved to Australia. As squatters in Aussie were an actual occupation ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squatting_(Australia) ). So, perhaps they all moved to NSW, Australia as a young family. Unfortunately, my Australian research to uncover further details about where this family came from has turned up dead ends. Nothing could be found or their names were too common to identify which one was them. She wasn't born in Australia, as there's no record of an Eileen Burke being born in in 1858 +/- 5 yrs. Plus all the written family history and her son's enlistment record state she was born in Ireland (I suppose that could all be incorrect).

Any tips for locating further info about this family?
Battista
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Re: St Aubyn Burke - Where to start?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 11:51 GMT (UK) »
I see she married in an RC church but unfortunately you have no idea in Ireland where she came from, you really need a townland, county, Parish to have any chance of finding her baptism as she was born before Civil Registration but at least you have both parent's names so there is a chance.
Some of the well know sites have name searches of the parish records but it's possible her baptism didn't survive and there are many transcription errors/difficult to read pages.
https://registers.nli.ie/

Have you any idea when her family left Ireland?  With any luck she may have a sibling born in Ireland after Civil Registration.
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Re: St Aubyn Burke - Where to start?
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 23:01 GMT (UK) »
I see she married in an RC church but unfortunately you have no idea in Ireland where she came from, you really need a townland, county, Parish to have any chance of finding her baptism as she was born before Civil Registration but at least you have both parent's names so there is a chance.
Some of the well know sites have name searches of the parish records but it's possible her baptism didn't survive and there are many transcription errors/difficult to read pages.
https://registers.nli.ie/

Have you any idea when her family left Ireland?  With any luck she may have a sibling born in Ireland after Civil Registration.

Not entirely sure, in her son's 1917 enlistment papers it states she's been living in NZ for 30 years (1887). They were married in 1884 in NSW, she's named as living in NZ at that time. So I guess there's a chance her family moved not long before the marriage. I'm just not sure exactly when they did. The fact that her father is a squatter tells me that they moved to Australia as a family, perhaps they didn't it's hard to say. Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough info to find anything. I'm hoping I can find some record of the parents, they might have a specific location they were from.
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Re: St Aubyn Burke - Where to start?
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 23:19 GMT (UK) »



He was a squatter where?

Did he have a name for farm??




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Re: St Aubyn Burke - Where to start?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 23:30 GMT (UK) »



He was a squatter where?

Did he have a name for farm??

Unfortunately, the only details I have about this family are the marriage record for Eileen Gertrude St Aubyn Burke and her son's enlistment paper. The marriage record (https://i.imgur.com/bZEQHfH.png) simply states John St. Aubyn Burke's occupation was a squatter. I don't have a name for a farm, nor where it would be. Presumably, it would be in NSW in Australia, was squatting an actual occupation in Ireland as well?

I'm trying to see if I can find a record of him in Australia at the moment.
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Re: St Aubyn Burke - Where to start?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 23:46 GMT (UK) »


Not an occupation here....


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Re: St Aubyn Burke - Where to start?
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 26 March 19 23:51 GMT (UK) »
We only have the illegal form of squatting.

I think you need to find a passenger list for them and perhaps there is something to find in the newspapers. Trove is good. https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/

Might be a good idea to get help on the Australia board to find everything you can on the family there before searching in Ireland.
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Re: St Aubyn Burke - Where to start?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 27 March 19 00:28 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Sinan that you should find out as much as possible about the family in Australia before tackling Ireland.
I recommend Irish Genealogy Toolkit for advice on Irish research. http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com
It has a list of resources. It has a section on emigration under the heading Genealogy but there's not much on Australia.
St. Aubyn is an unusual middle name. It's one I associate with upper-class English folk.  Stella and Chester are not your typical Irish names.