Joseph Lewis

[mollipops1]

marriage cert 1875
only addition to what I posted is
COE
Joseph Lewis Jun is a bachelor and Elizabeth Hart spinster
Witnesses  Thomas Foster and John Woodley.
Joseph and Elizabeth both signed.

d.c. Joseph Lewis Senior
Additions from post
parents,  Charles Lewis and Mary Smith
marriage,  Sydney
age abt 19
list of all the children inc. Joseph 38, Mary Ann 35,Sarah 33,Charlotte 32, Elizabeth 31,Thomas 29, William 27, James 26, Susan 25,  John 23, Jane 21, Hannah 19,  Ellen 19, (twins) Hellena 16, George 13,  all living.
informant,  W Goodfellow friend Fitzgerald's Valley
cause of death apoplexy
date of burial,  1/12/1889
COE cemetery Fitzgerald's Valley
witnesses,  T Foster and W Goodfellow.

All the names of Foster, Goodfellow, Woodley are well known identities of F.V.
3 of the Lewis girls married the Woodleys.

So there are some links here between Joseph snr and jnr that I feel cannot be overlooked. I'm not a big believer in coincidences especially in a town the size of Fitzgerald's Valley!

It appears possible Thomas Foster witnessed both Jos snr death in 1889 and Jos jnr's marriage in 1875.
AND
John Woodley was a witness to Jos jnr's marriage and 3 daughters of Jos snr married Woodleys - although none of them were named John!

There is also the fact that Jane LEWIS' 1912 obituary states her eldest son Joseph was living in Sydney at the time, while others were in Fitzgerald's Valley. Looking at Joseph jnr's funeral notices, his children with Elizabeth were all born in Sydney/Redfern.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16010694

Who was the informant on Jos jnr's death certificate please?

[sasarina]

informant is a Walter Sydney Noble Lewis. obviously after Jane Noble?
Yes most of the families were quiet close.
Even though a Joseph Junior is listed in Janes obt. that still does not mean he was her child?

I am still thinking along the lines of my previous posts that my Joseph had Joseph Jun. with the Sarah Unknown and he was raised as the child of Jane and Joseph.

I also know that she raised another child that was not hers.

[mollipops1]

Walter was one of his sons...presumably he would he have known his grandmother Jane as she died in 1912. Bear in mind informants still can and do make errors in their grief.

Who was the other child Jane raised? Was it Sarah?

Refer my earlier comment:
I can see births for all the children on his DC except Joseph and Sarah 

[mollipops1]

Joseph Lewis Jnr. died in Redfern,  not sure when he would have moved out of the Valley?

All his children were born in Sydney or Redfern according to NSW BDM index online. So it was soon after his marriage presumably, probably to be closer to where his new wife's family were.

As per certificate:
Column 8  Usual place of residence
Fitzgerald Valley (for Joseph)
Sydney (for Elizabeth)

[mollipops1]

Well, fingers crossed the Diocese archives will have the marriage register for Rev Williams and will be able to clearly read entry 172 in it... and it will have the details about Junior's parents that are not on the NSW BDM m.c.

JM

I'm not sure if this will provide more than father's name - and you already know that his name was Joseph so...??

[majm]

Well, fingers crossed the Diocese archives will have the marriage register for Rev Williams and will be able to clearly read entry 172 in it... and it will have the details about Junior's parents that are not on the NSW BDM m.c.

JM

I'm not sure if this will provide more than father's name - and you already know that his name was Joseph so...??

It should have the info the clergy collected and recorded on the local parish register but did not forward to the civil admin .... so the ages of bride and groom, their own birth places, their fathers' and their mothers' names including nee, the occupations of those fathers and thus sufficient family history info to have confidence in how to go back one generation.  The info for the father is currently based on the informant's knowledge on the d.c.  and a check of the NSW BDM online index the d.c. raises further questions

JM

[mollipops1]

Sounds like the way to go then - fingers crossed! 

[sasarina]

Hi Mollipops

Strange couldn't find Sarah birth 1856 registered, when they took care to register all the others?
We know that she was one of the Lewis girls that married into the Woodley family.
Another two of the Lewis girls married into the Pratley family, I think they liked to keep things in the Valley.

Jane Noble helped to rear Ray Adlam, as his father died before he was born.
I have a photo of him,  he was a really handsome man.

[sasarina]

Forgot to mention I did send an email to the Bathurst Diocese so to see if I get a response?