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Re: Dwellings on Census
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 28 March 19 05:27 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Kay.

Previous thread   may be of use https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=810603.msg6705530#msg6705530

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Crazy, is this the same family you are referring to in your other thread .... as per the link that Kay provided?
Living at Ash Hill Common in 1901 and still there in 1911?

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Re: Dwellings on Census
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 28 March 19 05:39 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Kay.

Previous thread   may be of use https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=810603.msg6705530#msg6705530

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Crazy, is this the same family you are referring to in your other thread .... as per the link that Kay provided?
Living at Ash Hill Common in 1901 and still there in 1911?

If this is George Loader born 1837 (with a 33 year old deaf daughter who is Emma in the 1901 census but Edith on the 1911 census, born Whiteparish) then in the 1911 census , he is a 74 year old widower. Pensioner was written as his occupation but this was crossed out and "Private Means is written.

They are living in a 6 room house (not a dwelling with 0 rooms). Address is simply "Ash Hill Common, Sherfield." A number of other residents give the same address.

Added: Broxmore House is the neighbour's address - you can see this on the map Kay linked to previously. Nearby addresses are also findable.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16&lat=51.0182&lon=-1.6103&layers=168&right=BingHyb

Added: As a point of comparison Evelyn Bristow who lives in Ash Hill House has a visitor and a servant and she has a house with 11 rooms. Her occupation is "private means" too and she appears to be relatively well to do. You can see her house here:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18&lat=51.0092&lon=-1.6032&layers=168&right=BingHyb

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Re: Dwellings on Census
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 28 March 19 06:53 GMT (UK) »
Six rooms .... that's a good size then for that era .... toilet would be an outbuilding,  likely so too the laundry,  not likely in that count... so perhaps 6 could be :kitchen/dining/living/bath,  parlour (only used for visitors) bedrooms, hallway...

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Re: Dwellings on Census
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 28 March 19 08:37 GMT (UK) »
The 1911 Census is the only one where you will find a description of the kind of dwelling (including unoccupied buildings). It’s not included in the household schedules, but is in the linked Enumerators’ Summary Books (RG 78). The 1911 census is also conveniently close in date to the Valuation Office Survey; it is an invaluable source of information on places, because it is based on detailed Ordnance Survey maps and it lists occupiers of each property so you can link household to actual buildings on the maps.

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Re: Dwellings on Census
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 28 March 19 09:49 GMT (UK) »
As Mean genie suggests look at the 1911 Summary Books - In this case Wiltshire - parish Whiteparish  - District 10 and you will find how the properties on Ash Hill Common are described - eg house, cottage, farmhouse

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Re: Dwellings on Census
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 28 March 19 10:19 GMT (UK) »
That is very useful Mean_genie & Kay. I never think to look at the Summary Books.  :)

Interesting to see that George Loader lived in a cottage.

There were only two of them in a six room dwelling.

Of course this is assuming that George Loader is the man who “Crazy” is researching. :)

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Re: Dwellings on Census
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 28 March 19 12:25 GMT (UK) »
Six rooms .... that's a good size then for that era .... toilet would be an outbuilding,  likely so too the laundry,  not likely in that count... so perhaps 6 could be :kitchen/dining/living/bath,  parlour (only used for visitors) bedrooms, hallway...

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Directions for answering the question about number of rooms on the 1911 census:

"Write below the Number of Rooms in this Dwelling (House, Tenement, or Apartment). Count the kitchen as a room but do not count scullery, landing, lobby, closet, bathroom; nor warehouse, office, shop".

6 rooms is sizeable for 1911.  :)

Added: Now we need "Crazy" to return to let us know if we got it right - is George Loader the man who he says is living at Ash Hill Common.  :)

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Re: Dwellings on Census
« Reply #16 on: Friday 29 March 19 01:33 GMT (UK) »
1911 census entries were the first completed by the householder and not the enumerator.

This is not correct.

All the censuses were compiled from forms completed by the householders.  Before 1911, the information was copied into the enumerator's book and then - unfortunately - all the individual forms were destroyed.

1911 census is the first census where the original forms were kept.
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Re: Dwellings on Census
« Reply #17 on: Friday 29 March 19 08:37 GMT (UK) »
I agree with Sloe Gin.

The 1901 census (but not earlier ones) included a question about the number of rooms occupied.  See my post on the other thread:  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=810603.msg6706999#new

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