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Offline crazyshotgug69

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Coopers of Kingsclere
« on: Saturday 30 March 19 18:26 GMT (UK) »
Hello,
I have recently gone back on my grandmother's side, and while researching a bit, a particular family linked to one of my great x something grandmothers has come up. The Coopers of Kingsclere. I found a website made by another woman, and she stated that they could possibly be of Romany origin. I will copy what she has said here.

"I haven't found a better alternative to Richard of Woodcot so haven't ruled out the possibility that the Coopers have Romany origins. The earliest baptisms (ca 1650) recorded in 'clere co-incided with the period Romany families were moving into the south of England and there is a long tradition of Hampshire Coopers especially in the New Forest area. Kingsclere Dell has traditionally been associated with gypsies so it would not be unusual to find a Romany Cooper family settling there. Was Richard born and baptised (possibly several times) elsewhere?"

This is the information I have for Richard:
Born 1758, Woodcott, Hampshire
Died December 1827, Kingsclere, Hampshire
Married Judith Buxey on 14 May 1786.
Judith was born 1759 and died 1835.

If anyone could give me a bit of assistance with this, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you.

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Re: Coopers of Kingsclere
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 31 March 19 14:40 BST (UK) »
I'm sure you will get some help with this request, but you already have several threads on the go awaiting a response from you. You have asked for people's opinions on various topics - it seems you have few loose ends to tie up on those threads.

My advice would be to do your own research and don't take too much notice of things you find on the internet. The section you quoted sounds like whoever wrote it is just throwing ideas around rather than giving any facts. You can make up any story that takes your fancy about any ancestors - whether it is true or not is another question.

The names and dates you have given above - what led you to these?
Is Richard's surname Cooper?
Did you get to Richard via one of his children? Can you provide details? Names? Dates? Places?
As you are looking at pre census and parish registers which generally contain little information, and Cooper is a very common surname, how can you be certain you are following the correct families?

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Re: Coopers of Kingsclere
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 31 March 19 14:40 BST (UK) »
Have you seen the actual Parish Register for Richards Burial? FreeREG has him age 80.

Burial;
26 Dec 1827, St Mary, Kingsclere
RICHARD Cooper age 80
Birth c 1747******
JUDITH buried 25 May 1835 age 60

So Richard older than you state?



Childrens Baptisms
Elizabeth COOPER   3 Apr 1787
John COOPER      26 Apr 1788   
Sarah COOPER      5 Dec 1789   
Robert COOPER      29 Jul 1792   
Joannah COOPER       26 Apr 1794   
James COOPER      14 Oct 1798   
William COOPER      15 Jun 1800
James COOPER      21 Feb 1802
Father a Labourer on most.

Trish :)
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Re: Coopers of Kingsclere
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 31 March 19 14:55 BST (UK) »
A ROBERT Cooper of Woodcote* married Frances HUTCHINS 4 Dec 1788 St Mary, Kingsclere
A JACOB Cooper was a Witness.
Cant find anything else on them there, no Bapt/Burials
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Re: Coopers of Kingsclere
« Reply #4 on: Monday 01 April 19 00:22 BST (UK) »
"Crazy", you said:

Richard Cooper - born 1758 - died 1827
Judith Buxey - born 1759 - died 1835
Richard and Judith married in 1786.

Trish found the following:

Richard Cooper burial 1827 age 80 therefore born 1747 NOT 1758.
Judith Cooper burial 1835 age 60 therefore born 1775 NOT 1759.

IF this is the correct Richard and Judith and their ages at death are about right, even allowing for some leeway, that would mean that Richard, born in 1747, would be (about) 39 when he married Judith in 1786 and Judith, born 1775, would be (about) 11 when she married Richard.

What trail led you to this particular Richard and Judith?
Which of their children are you descended from if any? The connection you mentioned does not tell us if you are a direct descendant or if this is some kind of side branch of your direct family.

Can you clarify please?



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Re: Coopers of Kingsclere
« Reply #5 on: Monday 01 April 19 02:09 BST (UK) »
I presume you found Judith's baptism on Freereg?

Kingsclere St Mary
Judith Buxey
9 Dec 1759
Father: Robert
Mother: Judith

Possibly the marriage of the parents:
Kingsclere St Mary
25 Dec 1758
Robert Buxey otp
Judith Smith otp

Who are the Richard and Judith buried in 1827 and 1835?

Added:
What is your source for the birth/baptism of Richard Cooper in 1758? I can't seem to find it. :-\

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Re: Coopers of Kingsclere
« Reply #6 on: Monday 01 April 19 03:03 BST (UK) »
    Richard Cooper

    Born about 1747 - Woodcott
    Baptized 14 October 1758 - Woodcott
    Died in December 1827 - Kingsclere Dell
    Age at death: possibly 80 years old
    Buried 26 December 1827 - St. Mary, Kingsclere

    Parents

    Richard Cooper c 1716-1786
    Mary unknown  c 1785

    Married 14 May 1786, St. Mary, Kingsclere, to Judith Buxey c 1759-1835
    witness: Edward Jacob
   
    Children   

    Elizabeth c 1787-1787
    John c 1788-1850
    Sarah c 1789-1844
    Robert c 1792-1836
    Joannah c 1794-
    Ann c 1796-
    James c 1798-ca 1799
    William c 1800-ca 1867
    James c 1802-1835
                 


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Re: Coopers of Kingsclere
« Reply #7 on: Monday 01 April 19 04:19 BST (UK) »
Is that information from an online tree Solidrock? :)

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Re: Coopers of Kingsclere
« Reply #8 on: Monday 01 April 19 04:36 BST (UK) »