Benjamin Whalley

[tmp48]

Trying to sort out this  Benjamin Whalley and his father.  as per his Army Records
Marriage 21 Feb 1909 at St Philips Church Liverpool
Benjamin Whalley 27 Bachelor, Wool Checker of 8 Shail Place.
Father: Joseph Edward Whalley, Forman, Deceased.
Spouse: Elizabeth Marshall 20 Spinster of 39 Chepstow Street, Walton. 
Father: Gibson Marshall, Commercial Traveller.
Witnesses:  Jerimiah Whalley & Margaret Lacey
it also states his 2nd Marriage: 3rd Aug 1919 in Bristol.
Annie Mary Ellis,
Witnesses:  F. A. Ellis & M. G. Ellis, her 2 sisters
Next of Kin: Wife Mrs A M Walley c/o Mrs Harper 24 Clint Rd, Edge Hill, Liverpool. 
Annie is a relative of mine. Annie's mother was my grandfather's sister Anna,  my Grandfather was Alfred Slade he died in Bristol

Is this Benjamin's Father's Birth record below ?  I can't seem to find anthing further on him or maybe the Army records got mixed up for Benjamn Whalley?
Name:   Joseph Edward Whalley
Registration Year:   1867
Registration Quarter:   Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:   Bury
Inferred County:   Lancashire
Volume:   8c
Page:   443

[ShaunJ]

In the censuses for 1891 and 1901 (he appears with his brother Jeremiah in 1891) his father is Edwin Whalley, born circa 1826 in Ireland.

[ShaunJ]

Detailed public tree on Ancestry: Edwin Joseph Whalley and wife Eliza Hancox, parents of Benjamin:

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/45341884/person/6348196296/facts

[tmp48]

Several People have copied the details from others on ancestry..which is what bothers me.  Some Trees I've looked at the owner no longer subscribed to Ancestry. Some that I've contacted haven't replied to my messages.

My concern is the name of Benjamin Whalley's father which he quoted on his 1st marriage details. 
No one else has picked up on that yet... it's as plain as day on his Army Record!
See also this below:

Liverpool, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932

Name:   Benjamin Whalley
Gender:   Male
Marriage Age:   27
Event Type:   Marriage
Birth Year:   abt 1882
Marriage Date:   21 Feb 1909
Marriage Place:   Liverpool, St Philip, Lancashire, England
Father: Joseph Edward Whalley
Spouse: Elizabeth Marshall
Gender:   Female
Marriage Age:   20
Birth Year:   abt 1889
Father:   Gibson Marshall

Surely Benjamin Whalley knew the name of his own father???

[ShaunJ]

Yes I've seen the 1909 marriage register page. But I think the census evidence is compelling - that whatever the father's real name was, he was born in Ireland circa 1826 and known as Edwin.

[heywood]

I can’t see his father’s name on the Army Record.
I agree with Shaun. You have the census information and the witness/brother’s name.
I have seen Edwin and Edward interchanged before and people also are called by their middle name.
He calls his son Edwin Joseph too.

[heywood]

This might be worth noting.
When Jeremiah Whalley, son of Edwin Whalley marries (2nd time)in 1913, a witness is Thomas George Harper. You have mentioned that surname previously.