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Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 04 April 19 13:57 BST (UK) »
No she was not a passenger, she was on shore writing about him departing.

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Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 04 April 19 14:03 BST (UK) »
No she was not a passenger, she was on shore writing about him departing.

ah - OK - did  he ever go back to her ...lol girl in every port ...was she a scouser ?
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Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 04 April 19 14:37 BST (UK) »
She lived in Hoylake. She did eventually marry him and they had 5 kids. Her diary does talk about lots of other suitors pestering her!

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Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 04 April 19 15:14 BST (UK) »
The Barque DAVID MALCOLM, O/N 14721, 538 tons, was not built until 1845, so not a contender.
There were four vessels entered in Lloyd's Register 1842/43 and 1843/44. One can be discounted as she was only a Coaster. The other three are as follows
MALCOLM Built in 1836, 264 tons, Captain Malcolm, owned by Malcolm's, port of registry Kirkcaldy.
MALCOLM Built in 1840, 224 tons, Captain McFarlan owned by McFarlan POR Stranraer.
MALCOLM Built in 1834 237 tons, Captain Turner, owned by Sim and co, POR Whitehaven.
All three made sailing from Liverpool 1843, Where to I don't know.
You would be advised to look at "Lloyd's List" for the year 1843.
Lloyd's List is available on line at a cost
https://newspaperarchive.com/uk/middlesex/london/london-lloyd-list/
Or for free at these locations.
National Library of Scotland
Lloyd's of London Marine Collection Guildhall Library
National Maritime Museum
Colindale Newspaper Library, Microfilm only
Southampton Central Library
National Library of Australia Microfilm only
No vessel with the name THE MALCOLM
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Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 04 April 19 15:50 BST (UK) »
Many thanks for the information. The Sailor concerned was Jonathon Watson Grisdale who was from Whitehaven originally. He eventually became a customs officer in Hoylake.
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Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 04 April 19 16:55 BST (UK) »
Crew Agreements for the various ships are available at the British National Archive. During this period Crew Agreements are catalogued by the vessels POR. The C/A would prove wether or not your man was on board.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4064690

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4064901

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C4064849

I would still check out Lloyd's List. You can get a monthly sub for around £16. There are 26 reference's to Malcolm in 1843.
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Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
« Reply #15 on: Friday 05 April 19 07:38 BST (UK) »
Thanks Seaweed - I knew you would help ...top man   

Paul - did he become a Customs Officer in Liverpool in later life ?

Baptism: 1 Jun 1855 St Anne Richmond, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Jonathan Watson Grisdale - [Child] of Jonathan Watson Grisdale & Mary Caroline
    Abode: Myrtle Street
    Occupation: Custom House Officer
    Baptised by: John James Curate

Myrtle Street was quite affluent
Mary Caroline Thomas -married 1844..
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Re: Sailing ship 'The Malcolm' out of Liverpool
« Reply #16 on: Friday 05 April 19 10:01 BST (UK) »
Jonathon Watson Grisdale was born in Whitehaven in 1822 (Grisdale's have their origin in Matterdale in the Lakes) He died in 1874. In the 1851 census he is in Little Meols . In the 1871 census he is in Hoylake. He has his in laws living with him. His father in law was superintendent customs officer.
Interestingly in the 1861 census the children are with the grandparents but JWG and his wife are missing. JWG may have been a customs man in Liverpool hence the abode in Myrtle Street. They were married in Church Street Liverpool which is now Top Shop!
Best wishes
Paul Grisdale