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Notation on Roman Catholic marriage register "clem disp in religione"
« on: Thursday 04 April 19 13:29 BST (UK) »
Can anyone interpret the above notation that appears under the names of the couple that I am researching.  It appears in the marriage register for Cork county RC church. I thought it might have to do with the fact that the groom is not from the parish, and possibly not Roman Catholic.

Thanks in advance for any guidance.
Linda

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Re: Notation on Roman Catholic marriage register "clem disp in religione"
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 04 April 19 13:36 BST (UK) »
Which parish is it? Cork is a big county.
Who were the couple and what was date of marriage?

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Re: Notation on Roman Catholic marriage register "clem disp in religione"
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 04 April 19 16:27 BST (UK) »
I believe it was in the city of Cork. The record is the Ireland, Roman Catholic Parish Register for Cloyne, Cobh 1812 - 1877.  The couple are Mary Burke and John Picot the entry shows Picott and the marriage date is 12 Feb 1852.

Does this help?

Linda

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Re: Notation on Roman Catholic marriage register "clem disp in religione"
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 April 19 17:11 BST (UK) »
It actually says 'cum dispn in religione' - the 'y' from Mary dips below the line. Meaning 'with a dispensation in religion'. Others say 'cum dispn in tempore'.

The couple had a dispensation granted.

Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Notation on Roman Catholic marriage register "clem disp in religione"
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 April 19 17:19 BST (UK) »
I'm not an expert on Catholic matters, but agree this shows that a dispensation had been granted against an impediment to marriage - "in religione" presumably indicating that the impediment was that one of the parties was not a baptised Catholic.
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Re: Notation on Roman Catholic marriage register "clem disp in religione"
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 April 19 17:24 BST (UK) »
Yes I agree though also no expert on Catholic matters.

The dispensation 'in tempore' was, I assume, to allow marriages at times when they would normally be forbidden eg fast periods. There are also dispensations showing on that parish record for consanguinity.

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Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Notation on Roman Catholic marriage register "clem disp in religione"
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 April 19 17:42 BST (UK) »
Yes that's the record.  Thank you both for this information. It is what I thought but I am not RC and don't read latin so thought I'd better check.

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Re: Notation on Roman Catholic marriage register "clem disp in religione"
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 April 19 18:11 BST (UK) »
BTW Cobh is not in Cork City, it's a harbour town down the coast bit from Cork city you will see it as Queenstown on many old records.
https://goo.gl/maps/VQXZQ5FB92F2

Cobh parish
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0036
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Re: Notation on Roman Catholic marriage register "clem disp in religione"
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 April 19 18:51 BST (UK) »
I believe it was in the city of Cork. The record is the Ireland, Roman Catholic Parish Register for Cloyne, Cobh 1812 - 1877.  The couple are Mary Burke and John Picot the entry shows Picott and the marriage date is 12 Feb 1852.

Does this help?

Linda
Yes, that helped.
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