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1808 Breconshire Will.... Complicated!!
« on: Friday 05 April 19 08:00 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I would like to decipher and interpret the marked passage in a will downloaded from the Library of Wales.

It was probated in Breconshire in 1808

There is a complex relationship here and although I can make out most of the words, I am at a loss as to what the deceased William Williams instructions were...

Please help if you can!

Llanfi
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Re: 1808 Breconshire Will.... Complicated!!
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 April 19 10:58 BST (UK) »
I've got most of it, with just a few queries:

... Item if my said Daughter Margret may
or will hold any conections whatsoever in any respect of life with
David Jones her husband on proof of the said conections of
living together John Williams her son shall have her
share freely to enjoy them in all respects and likewise the said
John Williams her son on the above circumstance shall have
full power to choose (?) his own trust deeds only they shall not
be his father nor his ^father's^ relations and if in cause (?) John Williams
my grandson will happen to die leaving no heirs or heirs
lawfully bygotten then I give the above property to Margret
Williams my granddaughter and do hereby appoint and

I'm fairly sure of 'choose' in line 7, but not 100%.
'cause' in line 8 could also be read as 'canse', and should probably be 'case'.
'bygotten' in line 10 will be a misspelling of 'begotten'.
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Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

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Re: 1808 Breconshire Will.... Complicated!!
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 April 19 11:26 BST (UK) »
I'm fairly sure of 'choose' in line 7, but not 100%.

I think it's written chuse, but obviously the sense is the same.

I agree with all the rest.

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Re: 1808 Breconshire Will.... Complicated!!
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 April 19 11:28 BST (UK) »
I think it's written chuse, but obviously the sense is the same.

Of course - having found a few other unusual spellings I should have thought of that there too.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: 1808 Breconshire Will.... Complicated!!
« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 April 19 18:01 BST (UK) »
Does that mean if his daughter Margaret has anything to do with her husband, David Jones, that the grandson gets her inheritance?

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Re: 1808 Breconshire Will.... Complicated!!
« Reply #5 on: Friday 05 April 19 18:17 BST (UK) »
Hello arthurk and bbart,

Thank you all very much... I have a good idea of his intentions now... I think John Williams was his daughter Margaret's son. She had John with her husband David Jones. Anyway, David Williams became executor in a bond attached to the will. and also pledged to be tutor and guardian of John .... so all ended well!
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Re: 1808 Breconshire Will.... Complicated!!
« Reply #6 on: Friday 05 April 19 19:13 BST (UK) »
Hello arthurk and bbart,

Thank you all very much...

Don't forget Bookbox, who doubtless would have done the whole thing if I hadn't got there first.

Does that mean if his daughter Margaret has anything to do with her husband, David Jones, that the grandson gets her inheritance?

That's how it seemed to me when I was going through it.
Researching among others:
Bartle, Bilton, Campbell, Craven, Emmott, Harcourt, Hirst, Kellet(t), Kennedy,
Meaburn, Mennile/Meynell, Metcalf(e), Palliser, Robinson, Rutter, Shipley, Stow, Wilkinson

Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: 1808 Breconshire Will.... Complicated!!
« Reply #7 on: Friday 05 April 19 22:34 BST (UK) »
Hello Bookbox!
I was so pleased with the expert replies that I didn't acknowledge your endorsement!
I hope all is well with you,
My best regards
Llanfi
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Re: 1808 Breconshire Will.... Complicated!!
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 April 19 01:47 BST (UK) »

Does that mean if his daughter Margaret has anything to do with her husband, David Jones, that the grandson gets her inheritance?

That's how it seemed to me when I was going through it.

Thanks for that.  I wasn't sure if I was seeing a family "fallout" where none existed.

And arthurk,  no-one can forget Bookbox! Someone once posted a will (sadly I cannot find the link to show you) which looked like it was written in some alien language, and looked more like those puzzles that need to be held up to a mirror to read the reverse image, and Bookbox didn't even flinch.  Just whipped out the translation.  Amazed me to pieces. ALL you folks that can understand these old wills are simply outstanding.