Author Topic: Henry Greenwood, born about 1854, Manchester or Salford.  (Read 274 times)

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Re: Henry Greenwood, born about 1854, Manchester or Salford.
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 06 April 19 03:53 BST (UK) »
Mary Greenwood nee Stanfield did remarry - but to Isaac Wakeling in Manchester on 28 June 1857.

Yes, I found her two marriages, but assumed she had married a third time to Edward Fernly. But I could never find a marriage of her to Edward Fernly.  I can't find any marriage of Edward Fernly so don't know which Mary he married.

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Re: Henry Greenwood, born about 1854, Manchester or Salford.
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 06 April 19 04:18 BST (UK) »
The two Marys arenít even similar ages though, are they?  Hiramís wife Mary nee Stanfield was born early 1820s, and Mary Greenwood mid-1830s (she is enumerated as 26 in 1861).

It seems to me overwhelmingly likely that the Mary we see in Derbyshire with Fanny and son Henry, and later with Edward Fernley, is Fannyís daughter and not her former daughter-in-law, and that she had Henry out of wedlock.
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Re: Henry Greenwood, born about 1854, Manchester or Salford.
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 06 April 19 13:20 BST (UK) »
The two Marys arenít even similar ages though, are they?  Hiramís wife Mary nee Stanfield was born early 1820s, and Mary Greenwood mid-1830s (she is enumerated as 26 in 1861).

It seems to me overwhelmingly likely that the Mary we see in Derbyshire with Fanny and son Henry, and later with Edward Fernley, is Fannyís daughter and not her former daughter-in-law, and that she had Henry out of wedlock.

Mary nee Stanfield was born about 1822, and Mary, Fanny's daughter was born in 1830 from her baptism record in Manchester and censuses in 1841 where she is living with her parents Henry and Fanny and her siblings in Silk Street, Manchester, 1851 where she is living with Fanny in a Manchester lodging house, Beswick Street, after her father's death in 1847 at Henry Street, Manchester, and 1861 where she is living in Charlesworth, Derbyshire, with Fanny and Fanny's two grandchildren Henry Greenwood and Joseph Smith.


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Re: Henry Greenwood, born about 1854, Manchester or Salford.
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 06 April 19 14:48 BST (UK) »
1881 RG11; Piece: 3461; Folio: 62; Page: 3
Down Ith Lane, Glossop Dale, Hayfield, Derbyshire
Edward   Fearnley   Head      1839   Coal Miner   Charlesworth, Derbyshire, England
Mary   Fearnley   Wife         1836   Housekeeper   Manchester, Lancashire, England
James   Fearnley   Son      1870   Cotton Cop Maker   Charlesworth, Derbyshire, England
Mary   Ridgway   Niece      1864   Cotton Operative   Charlesworth, Derbyshire, England

Mary Ridgway is the dau of Hannah they are together on 1871 census
and in 1861 Hannah Ridgeway is with the Fernley's

1871 RG10; Piece: 3645; Folio: 31; Page: 24
Charlesworth Lane Glossop Hayfield Derbyshire
Edward   Ferneley   Head         1839      Derbyshire
Mary   Ferneley   Wife            1837      Lancashire
Henry   Greenwood   Son      1855      Lancashire
James   Fernley   Son         1870      Derbyshire

1861 RG 9; Piece: 2552; Folio: 44; Page: 12
James Fernley   55 coal miner
Sarah Fernley   50
Edward Fernley 22 Glossop miner
John W Fernley   13
John E Pickford   10
William Ridgway   27 lodgers
Hannah Ridgway   28

There's this baptism for Edward

Edward Fearnaley   
Baptism 26 May 1839 Glossop, Derbyshire    
Father:   James Fearnaley  Mother:   Sarah

Haven't found a marriage to Mary Greenwood but there's this one for a widowed Edward father named James
         
Marriage 21 Oct 1893 Glossop, Derbyshire      
Edward Fernley age 54 widower, collier father James collier (decíd)
Louise Wilson 42 spinster father Elijah farmer (decíd)
Witnessed by John William Chadwick & Elizabeth Eleanor Alla(tt)?

1891 census RG12; Piece: 2785; Folio: 72; Page: 19
Edward is widowed and with his son James

There's this marriage entry on FreeBMD
Sep 1861   
FEARNLEY    Edward        Manchester    8d   544    
GARGEN    Mary        Manchester    8d   544

29 Sep 1861 Ancoats, St Jude, Lancashire
Mary GARGEN age 27 widow father Henry GREENWOOD
Edward Teamly (FEARNLY) 23 Batchelor collier father James collier
Witnessed by John Herbert (x) & Emma ?eake (x)
all made their mark (x)

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Re: Henry Greenwood, born about 1854, Manchester or Salford.
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 06 April 19 15:40 BST (UK) »
There's this marriage entry on FreeBMD
Sep 1861   
FEARNLEY    Edward        Manchester    8d   544     
GARGEN    Mary        Manchester    8d   544

29 Sep 1861 Ancoats, St Jude, Lancashire
Mary GARGEN age 27 widow father Henry GREENWOOD
Edward Teamly (FEARNLY) 23 Batchelor collier father James collier
Witnessed by John Herbert (x) & Emma ?eake (x)
all made their mark (x)

That is wonderful information, thank you.

Mary Greenwood born 1830, Fanny and Henry's daughter, was married to Henry Geoghan, born 1830 on June 10th 1856, when she was 26, at Cathedral, Manchester, her father Henry Greenwood, an Overlooker.  Her address on this marriage record is 168 Mill Street, Ancoats, different from her husband's address.  One of the witnesses is Jane Greenwood, probably her sister Jane.

I had never been absolutely sure this was correct, but feel more sure now.

So this second marriage definitely looks correct.

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Re: Henry Greenwood, born about 1854, Manchester or Salford.
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 06 April 19 15:41 BST (UK) »
1861 census RG 9; Piece: 2552; Folio: 57; Page: 1
Downith Lane, Charlesworth Derbyshire
Fanny Greenwood   68 Head bn Ebding Bridge, Yorkshire occ Housekeeper
Mary Greenwood   26 dau bn Manchester occ cotton tenter
Henry Greenwood    7  grandson bn Manchester
Joseph Smith            2  grandson bn Charlesworth Derbyshire

The 1861 census notes Mary Greenwood as 'un' (unmarried)  :-\

Have failed to find a match for a Greenwood/Gargen marriage  ???

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We were posting at the same time - great that you found her first marriage