Author Topic: John Samuel Brooks Ham b 7 Jan 1867 Westminster, London  (Read 870 times)

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John Samuel Brooks Ham b 7 Jan 1867 Westminster, London
« on: Sunday 07 April 19 10:59 BST (UK) »
The above was the eldest son of 6 children of John Joseph Ham 1824-1905 and Jane Eliza Waymark 1838-1918. He was baptised 24 Jan 1869 at St James Westminster and appeared on the 1871 & 1881 UK censuses at Westminster then Bedford, Bedfordshire.
According to some Anc trees he ended up in NZ and married and passed away there in 1913. However they have no sources for these 'facts' and seem to have copied them from other trees?
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Re: John Samuel Brooks Ham b 7 Jan 1867 Westminster, London
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 April 19 11:50 BST (UK) »
Can you see him on a passenger list going to NZ? 

Do the trees indicate the year he arrived?
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Re: John Samuel Brooks Ham b 7 Jan 1867 Westminster, London
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 April 19 11:57 BST (UK) »
Ok I see a tree that has marriage in Australia 1889 but children for some reason have the surname Hammond not Ham. 

Wife is shown as Eliza Jane Boylan died Australia 1932.

I would contact the tree owner and ask a few questions  :)
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Re: John Samuel Brooks Ham b 7 Jan 1867 Westminster, London
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 April 19 12:06 BST (UK) »
Ok I see a tree that has marriage in Australia 1889 but children for some reason have the surname Hammond not Ham. 

John Samuel Hammond was found dead in his bed, 25 March 1913
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MS19130327.2.69

Death notice
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19130325.2.4

Age given in the NZ death index for John Samuel Hammond is 46.

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Re: John Samuel Brooks Ham b 7 Jan 1867 Westminster, London
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 07 April 19 14:06 BST (UK) »
His 1913 Probate is on Familysearch.Org. Leaves everything to his dear friend Agnes (Nellie) Bazley/
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Re: John Samuel Brooks Ham b 7 Jan 1867 Westminster, London
« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 April 19 08:25 BST (UK) »
Hello Cr,
This from the cemetery records although I think there is an error in the age..... ???

Last name   HAMMOND
First name   JOHN SAMUEL
Age   0 Years
Deceased date   25/03/1913
Service provided   Cremation
Cremation date   27/03/1913
Cemetery   Crematorium
Record number   42


https://wellington.govt.nz/services/community-and-culture/cemeteries/cemeteries-search/details?id=42&serviceType=Cremation&previousPage=%2fservices%2fcommunity-and-culture%2fcemeteries%2fcemeteries-search%2fresults%3fserviceType%3dAll%26firstNames%3djohn%26lastName%3dhammond%26fromDate%3d01%252f01%252f1840%26toDate%3d08%252f04%252f2019%26cemetery%3dAll

1913/1872   Hammond   John Samuel   46YA

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Funeral Notices [three]......

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19130326.2.116.3?query=j.%20s.%20hammond&phrase=2&start_date=01-01-1913&end_date=31-12-1913&snippet=true

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: John Samuel Brooks Ham b 7 Jan 1867 Westminster, London
« Reply #6 on: Monday 08 April 19 08:42 BST (UK) »
Death notice for Eliza....

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4450962?searchTerm=eliza%20jane%20hammond&searchLimits=exactPhrase|||anyWords|||notWords|||requestHandler|||dateFrom=1932-01-01|||dateTo=1932-12-31|||l-advcategory=Family+Notices|||sortby


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: John Samuel Brooks Ham b 7 Jan 1867 Westminster, London
« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 April 19 09:20 BST (UK) »
Marriage of daughter Daisy in the State of Victoria....

EVANS
Neville
Marriage
HAMMOND, Daisy
1931
3219/1931


[Without the names of "Brooks" & "Ham" we may not be on the correct pathway with these posts?]

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: John Samuel Brooks Ham b 7 Jan 1867 Westminster, London
« Reply #8 on: Monday 08 April 19 09:31 BST (UK) »
Looks like you've disproved the Anc trees idea that he changed 2 parts of his name; unless you have fallen into the same trap as the Anc tree owners. They have someone called John Samuel Hammond but have no sources to back up a name change, you must admit he has a distinctive name, there are no sources whatever about his alleged marriage or migration/marriage, they seem to have copied from each other!?
There was a John Samuel Hammond b1867 in Norfolk so could be him?
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