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John Holroyd son of Mary and ?
« on: Monday 08 April 19 17:15 BST (UK) »
Hello
Can anyone make out the middle two lines concerning John son of Mary Holdroyd and whatever it says next.
It's from 1706 baptism Huddersfield st Peters.
Thanks
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Atack,Earnshaw,Holroyd.Holroyde, Craven.Rangeley,Gledhill.Sheffield.Brearley,Walker West Yorkshire
Crowther,Hopley,Lane,Riding.   Horwich- Lancashire.

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Re: John Holroyd son of Mary and ?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 08 April 19 18:00 BST (UK) »
I sifted through several pages of that book of baptisms, and the normal format was child's first name, Father's full name, and abode.
In the case of unmarried mothers, it was child's first name, mothers name, father's name (if known), abode.

In the case of the one you are interested in, I don't know whether it as actually an abode, or he "suspects" that that was the father??  Father is George something... better eyes than mine might work it out.

I never saw any "t" crossed.

Here's another clip to show the two words following the mother's name, as I think it is a latin term (probably something to do with out of wedlock), and it's easier to read... the two words at the end of Jonathon, son of Mary Shaw, Crowbanke.


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Re: John Holroyd son of Mary and ?
« Reply #2 on: Monday 08 April 19 18:02 BST (UK) »
Here's another clip to show the two words following the mother's name, as I think it is a latin term (probably something to do with out of wedlock), and it's easier to read... the two words at the end of Jonathon, son of Mary Shaw, Crowbanke.

The words are pat[e]r ignotus, which means 'father unknown'
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Re: John Holroyd son of Mary and ?
« Reply #3 on: Monday 08 April 19 18:15 BST (UK) »
So is it perhaps:

...Geo: ?amble Suspect(e)d

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Re: John Holroyd son of Mary and ?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 08 April 19 18:20 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the replies,so the father is unknown but suspected George.Better eyes might get the surname mine certainly can't.
Lee
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Atack,Earnshaw,Holroyd.Holroyde, Craven.Rangeley,Gledhill.Sheffield.Brearley,Walker West Yorkshire
Crowther,Hopley,Lane,Riding.   Horwich- Lancashire.

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Re: John Holroyd son of Mary and ?
« Reply #5 on: Monday 08 April 19 18:21 BST (UK) »
I can see the amble now you've said it and could be suspected. Gamble?
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Crowther,Hopley,Lane,Riding.   Horwich- Lancashire.

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Re: John Holroyd son of Mary and ?
« Reply #6 on: Monday 08 April 19 18:25 BST (UK) »
I can see the amble now you've said it and could be suspected. Gamble?

The best strategy would be to scan through a few nearby pages of the register looking for names of a similar form.

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Re: John Holroyd son of Mary and ?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 08 April 19 18:31 BST (UK) »
Thinking that one if I'm lucky I might find a marriage between a Mary and this George chap.
Thanks again Lee
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Crowther,Hopley,Lane,Riding.   Horwich- Lancashire.

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Re: John Holroyd son of Mary and ?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 08 April 19 18:36 BST (UK) »
Just had a look at another transciption of this record it has Georges surname as Syamble I can't see that.the one I have posted has Mary transcribed as Martha.
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Atack,Earnshaw,Holroyd.Holroyde, Craven.Rangeley,Gledhill.Sheffield.Brearley,Walker West Yorkshire
Crowther,Hopley,Lane,Riding.   Horwich- Lancashire.