Catherine Jones married Charles Davies 1879 Aberystwyth

[pdaviesoz]

Children of Charles and Catherine: We have filled in nearly all the blanks and contacted long-lost cousins. All on Davies/Dearman Family tree on MyHeritage.
Elizabeth b 1881 Charters Towers Qld m Stephen Paull 1900
Edward John b 1883 (my G-Grandfather)
Charles Stephen b 1885 Charters Towers Qld
Catherine Maria (later Gillon) and Lily May (later Butterworth) TWINS b 1889 Charters Towers (though lily is registered in NSW ?)
Morris Llewellyn Davies b 1892 Nundle NSW
Archibald Caradoc b 1895 Nundle NSW
Gladys b 1898 d 1899

[wivenhoe]

What death information do you have for Charles DAVIES?

QLD BDM births
1881   C6328   DAVIES Elizabeth      parents Charles / Catherine JONES
1883   C7531   Edward John             parents Charles / Catherine JONES
1886   C4527   Charles Stephen              parents Charles / Catherine JONES
1889   C5802   Catherine Maria              parents Charles / Catherine JONES

BDM NSW births
16389/1890    DAVIES  Lily M           parents   Charles / Catherine   @ Hillgrove
34284/1892    DAVIES  Morris S        parents   Charles / Catherine   @ Tamworth
7923/1895     DAVIES  Archibald C     parents   Charles / Catherine   @ Tamworth
14977/1897   DAVIES  Gladys G        parents   Charles / Catherine    @ Nundle

BDM NSW marriage
1330/1900   DAVIES Elizabeth          marr.  PAULL Stephen                 @ Gundagai
11243/1908 DAVIES Catherine M      mar    GILLON Alfred H               @ Lithgow
11187/1917 DAVIES Lily M               marr.   BUTTERWORTH Alfred E   @ Petersham

BDM NSW death
3729/1934   DAVIES  Catherine           parents Stephen M / Catherine   @ Marrickville (10 March)
5589/1960   GILLON  Catherine Maria  parents Charles / Catherine        @ Campsie 
25862/1937 GILLON  Alfred Henry       parents  Thomas / Jane              @ Bankstown


Use QLD BDM search to find the other people you have mentioned......Thomas Stephen/s JONES....Henry Morris JONES.......marriages...deaths.......good information to construct family for these people in Queensland.

[wivenhoe]

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[CaroleW]

Reply 15 refers

I found her mmn using the GRO website and searching for Jones births with a mmn of Joseph from 1843 to 1864

 https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp  registration and searching is free

The one I posted fitted Aberystwyth but there were no entries for a Henry Morris Jones using that combination of names.   There is also no birth reg for that name in the Aberystwyth RD

You need to be aware  there is another possible Jones/Joseph marriage in Aberystwyth in 1855 so without buying the birth cert it's not possible to say which family the 1858 birth for Catherine belongs to

Each of the children on the 1851 census I posted show up with a mmn of Joseph so it is the right family for Stephen & Elizabeth

[pdaviesoz]

CaroleW - Thanks so much for that clue. I didn't know that source.

Is it possible that the "Morris" middle name wasn't official? I know Charles "gave" himself a middle name "W..?" which isn't on any official docs.

The other possibility is that Tom calling Catherine "Aunty" wasn't a blood relationship, yet she called one of her sons "Morris". Or even that she and Henry were cousins not siblings.

I really appreciate your help. I can now try and confirm other people on the UK side.
PaulD

[pdaviesoz]

Wivenhoe,

Charles died 1931 Manly at his son's house.

PaulD

[pdaviesoz]

CaroleW,

The Census info doesn't name Catherine. Was that implied in the search, or is it possible its a different family as you suggested by the other marriage 1855?

PAuLD

[wivenhoe]

NSW BDM death
9772/1931 DAVIES  Charles parents John / Catherine  @ Manly

Can you list all the information on this certificate please.


FreeBDM SepQ  1879  Aberystwth  Vol 11B / page 73
JONES Henry marr. OWENS Hannah

GRO births
JONES, Thomas  Stephens  mms. OWENS 
1878  DecQ  Aberystwyth  Vol 11B  Page 71 

JONES, John Morris    mms.   OWENS 
1883  MarQ  Aberystwyth  Vol 11B  Page 66

QLD BDM births
1885   C4724   JONES   John David   parents     Henry / Hannah OWENS
1889   C6257   JONES   William Henry   parents     Henry / Hannah OWENS

QLD BDM death
1884   C2247   JONES   John Morris          parents     Henry JONES / Hannah OWENS
1886   C1934   JONES    John David     parents     Henry JONES / Hannah OWENS
1913   C2293  JONES  Henry Morris         parents    Stephen JONES / Elizabeth JOSEPH
1933   B20843  JONES   Thomas Stephen  parents     Henry Morris JONES / Hannah OWENS

QLD BDM marriage
1912   C1959  JONES Thomas Stephen  marr.    SURTEES   Annie   


https://graves.brisbane.qld.gov.au/  (Brisbane Cemeteries)

Toowong Cemetery                    same plot
JONES Thomas Stephen             buried 16 Jun 1933   54yrs
JONES Annie                      buried 3 Nov 1942

QLD BDM death
1942   C5041 JONES Annie          parents  John SURTEES / Mary Ann BROPHY

[CaroleW]

Reply 24 refers

Catherine wasn't born until 1858 so will only appear in the 1861 census onwards. See my earlier reply that the 1861 for Broncastellan is missing.

If I have the right death for Stephen - he will not appear on the 1871 census.  I have searched that census extensively but no trace of him so I suspect it was the right death.

I cannot correctly identify Catherine on the 1871 as there is no entry with a mother Elizabeth.

The 1855 marriage I mentioned was Simon Jones but no 1861 or 1871 entry for a Catherine with a father Simon.

Unfortunately - the  only way forward is to purchase the 1858 birth cert but you can buy a pdf version for £7GB