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Offline Edward Scott

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Latin will on FS
« on: Saturday 13 April 19 14:27 BST (UK) »
I have yet another will in Latin that I really cannot read. I do not need a full transcription but details of the dates, places, names and relationships would be really useful and appreciated.

The will of Walter Coket 1482 is here https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C39Z-SSVQ-X?i=180&cat=278818 (page 181 if the link fails)

It starts halfway down the left hand page and finishes half way the right hand side.

Many thanks

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Offline Vance Mead

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Re: Latin will on FS
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 13 April 19 15:57 BST (UK) »
To be buried in the chapel of the Blessed Saint Mary, Ampton
(lots of bequests to churches)
To Alice the wife of Hamon Claxton, a maser
To Margaret the wife of Robert Thorsby, 20 ewes
To Agnes the wife of John Althorp, 6s 8d
To Alice Thorysby 20 sheep
To Alice Croftys, 13s 4d
To Thomas Croft 20 sheep
To Alice Clerk 20 sheep
To John Cokett 20 sheep
To Thomas Coket 20 sheep
To John Coket junior 20 sheep
To Bede Thoresby 20 sheep
To John Althorp junior
To John Claxton 13s 4d
To Alice Claxton 13s 4d
William Coket, clerk
To Valentine Stabeler
Prayers for himself, John Coket and Margaret his wife
To Elizabeth Coket, wife of John Coket my nephew
To Robert Rycheman, rector of Ampton, a robe (toga)
To John Coket junior a robe
To John Boteler my servant
To Alice the wife of John Boteler
Executors John Coket junior, Robert Rycheman, Valentine Stabeler
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs

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Re: Latin will on FS
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 13 April 19 16:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks, I think the will date is April 1481 with probate in 1482, struggling to work them out.

It's a real shame that he doesn't give his occupation (I thought he was clergy) and the relationship with some of the beneficiaries.

I think he is the son of John Coket that was not mentioned in the longer will from 1445 with all the bequests to churches, etc.

So JC & Margaret are his paternal grandparents


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Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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Offline Vance Mead

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Re: Latin will on FS
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 13 April 19 16:20 BST (UK) »
He is clericus or clergy, which must make him the son of John and Margaret.

The will date is 12 April 1482.

Most of the Cokets are familiar, but a couple might be identified from Common Pleas records.

Thomas Coket could be this man (Badwell Ash is just a few miles away):
1486
d 915
Thomas Coket, of Badwell Ash, wheelwright

Fourth entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no895/bCP40no895dorses/IMG_0915.htm


William Coket, clerk, could be this:
William Coket, of Ingham, Norf, clerk
Hilary term 1468, sixth entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E4/CP40no826/bCP40no826dorses/IMG_0923.htm


Edit:
The county in the margin is Norfolk. There is an Ingham in Norfolk, as well as one in Suffolk, near Bury St Edmunds, so I'm inclined to think this Ingham must be the one in Suffolk.
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs

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Re: Latin will on FS
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 April 19 16:34 BST (UK) »
He is clericus or clergy, which must make him the son of John and Margaret.

The will date is 12 April 1482.

Most of the Cokets are familiar, but a couple might be identified from Common Pleas records.

Thomas Coket could be this man (Badwell Ash is just a few miles away):
1486
d 915
Thomas Coket, of Badwell Ash, wheelwright

Fourth entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT3/H7/CP40no895/bCP40no895dorses/IMG_0915.htm


William Coket, clerk, could be this:
William Coket, of Ingham, Norf, clerk
Hilary term 1468, sixth entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E4/CP40no826/bCP40no826dorses/IMG_0923.htm

Fantastic, thanks.

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Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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Offline Edward Scott

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Re: Latin will on FS
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 April 19 16:39 BST (UK) »
He is not mentioned in the 1445 will of JC so no evidence yet as to his parentage. I was hoping for more family clues from the will.

I have some more on order from Suffolk Archives which may help.

Nice to see the Croft name appearing as I know there is a link but I cannot find it.

Thanks again

Edward
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Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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Offline Edward Scott

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Re: Latin will on FS
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 April 19 16:49 BST (UK) »
Having a senior moment - of course he is in JC's 1445 will as on & Rector of Livermere

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Offline Vance Mead

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Re: Latin will on FS
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 April 19 16:50 BST (UK) »
It's quite abbreviated, but the prayers for John Coket and Margaret his wife in his will are for his father and mother. "patris mei... et matris mei"
Mead - Herts, Bucks, Essex
Pontifex - Bucks
Goldhurst - London, Middx, Herts
Kellogg/Kelhog - Essex, Cambs

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Re: Latin will on FS
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 April 19 17:00 BST (UK) »
William Coket, clerk, could be this:
William Coket, of Ingham, Norf, clerk
Hilary term 1468, sixth entry:
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT2/E4/CP40no826/bCP40no826dorses/IMG_0923.htm

Could you please let me have the highlights of this

thanks

Edward
Scott - Lincolnshire
Jobson - Lincolnshire, Suffolk
Needham - Lincolnshire
Wayet - Lincolnshire

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