Removal Orders

[BourneGooner]

Hi All

I have a couple pf questions regarding "Removal Orders" hoping someone can answer.
In 1823 I have a Thomas Lock, his wife and family (7 children) the subject of a "Removal Order" from Islip, Northamptonshire, because they were becoming a burden to the Parish of Islip. Thomas was originally from Yarwell, Northamptonshire.

Does anyone know how these orders were enforced, were the family physically taken to the border and removed. How long were these orders in place for? Would the family have to pay any compensation to the Parish of Islip to return?

My question arise because the children seem to have all been born and baptized in Islip so I'm not exactly sure where they can have been removed to!
Secondly I know they must have returned at some point as Thomas is buried in Islip churchyard in 1859 his wife was buried in the same churchyard in 1847.

Just a curiosity really but any help gratefully received

BourneGooner

[ciderdrinker]

Hello
Yes is the blunt answer.
They would have been taken to Yarwell  by the Overseers of the Poor ,probably by horse and cart where Thomas had the right to apply for parish relief for him and his family.
Yarwell may well have been charged for the cost of transport.
If Islip ,it seems really didn't want to pay.
They could  return if Thomas found a job which would pay enough to support him and his family ,which in theory could be straight away.

I had an abandoned wife who went home from London with her 3 children to her parents in Taunton. Because they couldn't support her she was sent straight back to the Workhouse in Chelsea.
Of course Thomas could in theory have refused to go and he and his family could stay put ,but then no money,no food or any support from Isilip and presumably they would be on the streets .
Hopefully it wasn't that bleak and he managed to get a friend to help him out.
The fact the children were born in Islip didn't help.Thomas had to have paid rates etc in Islip and be legally resident there for poor relief.

Ciderdrinker

[stanmapstone]

The family would be escorted by the parish constable to the parish boundary where they would be passed to the constable of the neighbouring parish and so on, until they reached their place of legal settlement. Alternatively the constable could escort the family all the way to the parish of settlement
Removals were costly because of the scale of allowances paid to the escorting officers.
Stan

[Craclyn]

They would be able to return if they were self supporting and no longer a burden on the parish coffers.

[BourneGooner]

Many thanks for the answers, just as I thought really, I know times have changed but still sounds rather horrific just for being poor.

BourneGooner

[barryd]

From my genealogy. One removal order that failed. The poor widow was Caroline (Thompson) Triggs, bap. 20 April 1820, Nuneaton, Warwickshire.

1857: ORDERS OF REMOVAL BETHNAL GREEN, LONDON. 14 NOVEMBER 1857

Caroline Triggs 37 Widow of Charles Triggs, (deceased 3 Weeks), six children Caroline 13, Amelia 11, Charles 9, Thomas 7, Frederick 4, Walter 2, residing at 7 Gretton Terrace, husband a cigar maker, was married at St. Dunstan, Stepney on the 8 day of August 1841 has resided as above aforesaid of 12 months at 16 pounds states the 4 quarters rates when her husband was apprenticed to Mr. Sanderson of Silver Street, Cheapside for seven years [who is thought to be  C.J. Sanderson, Cigar Manufacturer of 22 Silver Street, Cheapside City of London] and he resided and slept at his mother’s house in Christian Street, St. George’s [In the] East also rented houses in Back Road, ……, Cannon Street Road, at  ……………. and lived in Catherine Street, St George’s [in the East] 3 years at 20 pounds and taxes.   St. George’s East ………………… 

Excellent genealogical records. Bad motivation.

[JGSnoopy]

Hi Barry,

Thanks for adding this, Caroline Triggs is my gg grandmother, through her son Walter. 

[Andrew Tarr]

Realising how precarious family life in the 19th century could be, serves to remind us how fortunate most of us are in the 21st.  At least most families manage to avoid having large broods to support.

[barryd]

Walter Triggs was the most successful of all the Triggs of that era. The Army was his life and his success.