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Re: Access to 1939 dublin Census
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 April 19 20:30 BST (UK) »
So, there has never been and is still no NHS in the Republic.

Attempts at health care reorganisation in Ireland 1940s & '50s see:
 1947 Health Act
Mother and Child Scheme 1950
Dr. Noel Browne, T.D.
Sean McEntee, T.D. 1943
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Re: Access to 1939 dublin Census
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 16 April 19 20:57 BST (UK) »
The Health Service Executive (HSE) (Irish: Feidhmeannacht na Seirbhíse Sláinte) is responsible for the provision of health and personal social services for everyone living in Ireland, with public funds. https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/find-a-service/eligibility.html
Leicestershire:Chamberlain, Dakin, Wilkinson, Moss, Cook, Welland, Dobson, Roper,Palfreman, Squires, Hames, Goddard, Topliss, Twells,Bacon.
Northamps:Sykes, Harris, Rice,Knowles.
Rutland:Clements, Dalby, Osbourne, Durance, Smith,Christian, Royce, Richardson,Oakham, Dewey,Newbold,Cox,Chamberlaine,Brow, Cooper, Bloodworth,Clarke
Durham/Yorks:Woodend, Watson,Parker, Dowser
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Lincolnshire:Clements, Woodend

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Re: Access to 1939 dublin Census
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 16 April 19 20:58 BST (UK) »

Was there no food rationing in 'neutral' Ireland?   :-\   

There was rationing in Ireland until 1950s.
Irish government started a self-sufficiency drive for food production. Area of land under tillage for grain production increased hugely from 1931-1939 and again 1939-1945. Wartime tillage effort was directed more towards food production for people than for livestock. Irish sugar manufacturing industry, founded 1920s, greatly expanded 1930s.
Article "The Political Factor in Agricultural History: Trends in Irish Agriculture 1922-1985" by Desmond Gillmor examines agriculture in Republic and Northern Ireland.
www.bahs.org.uk/AGHR/ARTICLES/37n2a5.pdf

Eire and World War ii (1939-1945) is an outline of the period.
https://www.yourirish.com/history/20th-century/eire-and-world-war-ii
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Re: Access to 1939 dublin Census
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 16 April 19 23:10 BST (UK) »
The Dublin City Electoral Lists 1937-64 have been taken down from this site
http://databases.dublincity.ie/electoral/advanced.php
but are still available at the library - email address in link

If they were over 21 and listed to register at the address you could find out this way


LINK with picture of house
additional LINK


Also the Valuations Office of Ireland would have the records of the house's owners/history
www.valoff.ie
  Thank you for info But i live in Huddersfield and cannot visit library, I went on to valueation site but cannot understand it, I got up Thom's directory but cannot find Harolds Cross it only has 12 pages on show, Thank you anyway, for your help.


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Re: Access to 1939 dublin Census
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 16 April 19 23:13 BST (UK) »
Thoms 1940 - P. Morris

Sounds promising, but don't know how to open it, Thank you anyway for trying
 

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Re: Access to 1939 dublin Census
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 17 April 19 09:05 BST (UK) »
Thank you for info But i live in Huddersfield and cannot visit library, I went on to valueation site but cannot understand it, I got up Thom's directory but cannot find Harolds Cross it only has 12 pages on show, Thank you anyway, for your help.

These pieces of information are only available in the libraries

The register of electors do not give much information other than the address and name of person who can vote (and sometimes reference to another residence or business address)
It does not state relationships if there are more than one person at an address

For valuation records there are sometimes annotations that are helpful but it is hit and miss

Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Access to 1939 dublin Census
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 17 April 19 09:30 BST (UK) »
Thoms 1940 - P. Morris

Sounds promising, but don't know how to open it, Thank you anyway for trying

that's all the Thom's 1940 directory listing for 74 Harolds Cross Rd has, but at least it gives an initial. A number of the directories are available on the ask about Ireland website

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Re: Access to 1939 dublin Census
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 17 April 19 09:59 BST (UK) »
Death of Joseph P MORRIS at 74 Harold's Cross Road in December 1940 LINK
I believe that Angela O'CARROLL the informant was his grand-daughter LINK
and death notice attached
probate to Margaret MORRIS of same address LINK

Agnes MORRIS died on Nov 29 1936 - address given as 74 HX Rd LINK

1901 living at house 11 in Wolseley Street (Merchants Quay, Dublin) LINK
1911 living at house 130 in Harold's Cross Road (Rathmines & Rathgar West, Dublin) LINK

130 was the numbering given by the enumerator as far as I am aware
and this may be the same house as 74 later in the 1930s/1940s

Family listed on census are:
Mary - married Myles CARROLL Nov 14 1910 LINK; died Jun 14 1947
      Mary CARROLL (nee) MORRIS has a death notice in 1947 that states she is late of 74 HX Rd LINK
Francis - married Bride BUTLER Aug 13 1917 LINK; died Nov 12 1921 LINK
Raphael - died June 08 1909 aged 18 LINK
Margaret - presumed alive at 1941 at time of probate
Charles (twin) b Oct 21 1894 - presumed alive at 1940 given wording of death notice;
      married Ellen GRIFFIN nee BYRNE Mar 21 1941 LINK
      possibly died 1953 LINK requires further verification

Not listed as she was deceased
Angela (twin) b Oct 21 1894 - LINK to birth - died Dec 06 1894 LINK

Joseph MORRIS first married Maria Ellen ROURKE on Jun 30 1885 LINK

Ellen MORRIS died Feb 20 1897 LINK

Joseph MORRIS then married Agnes DUNNE on May 02 1898 LINK

In 1961 Miss Margaret MORRIS of 74 HX Rd won a consolation prize in the Dublin Gas Company's Fortnightly competition! reported on the Dublin Evening Mail 10 August 1961

In answer to the original question as to who was in #74
The MORRIS family were definitely in #74 from 1936 towards the end of 1961 and possibly as early as 1911 if the enumerated house #130 was confirmed to be the same building
The family had a connection to Harold's Cross from the 1880s according to the addresses on all the records.

By May 09 1964 a B Fitzmaurice is reported with the address in another newspaper report of another competition, the Alpine Draw's results

Hope that this helps a little more
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Scally; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Access to 1939 dublin Census
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 17 April 19 10:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for the work you put in to this, I have all of it but not put out as well as you did, you went far beyond the call of duty to help a stranger. I am so bad at answering multi points that i neglected to tell you how happy I was , Yes 130 Harolds Cross was the family house, then they moved to 74 with a Son moving to 116. They indeed lived round the area and took part in st Clares a lot. most of the sons worked as Brewery Clerks,or coopers, Not Guiness as the archivist told me, but lots of Brewerys in the St James gate area, I believe,
my Father was Charles, His father Was Joseph Patrick, I came along in 1942 and spent most of my young Sundays in 74 which was a grand regal house with a well read family that introduced me to the grand Tours of Europe, I alas was remiss in not asking about our family history at the time, It was all lost ie Papers and photos when Angela died down in Kerry somehere. yes thank you for your great work, you made a old man very Happy, xx