Author Topic: Looking for Elizabeth Payne / Watkin/ Bird on 1891 Census  (Read 299 times)

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Looking for Elizabeth Payne / Watkin/ Bird on 1891 Census
« on: Thursday 18 April 19 21:14 BST (UK) »
Looking to locate Elizabeth in 1891 under one of three surnames.
Born Elizabeth Payne 26-3-1863 in Wisbech district
1871 in Rutland with parents Thomas & Sarah
1881 General servant in pub in Leeds, Yorkshire
27-3-1882 Back in Grantham, Lincolnshire where her parents settled and Elizabeth married John Watkin
1891 Missing
1901 & 1911 Elizabeth is living in Balderton, Newark, Nottinghamshire as the wife of Thomas Bird.
 Her niece Fanny Kemp is also with them.

1911 Census states 25 years married, no children but in fact they didn't marry until 22-7-1916 with Elizabeth Watkin as a widow. This was the year after Fanny married.

I can't find Elizabeth, John or Thomas in 1891

John born 1860 Grantham a boilermaker is with his family before the marriage but disappears after 1882, no children found

Thomas born 1861 Newark was a bricklayer

Can anyone see Elizabeth or the two men in her life?

Thank you, Comberton

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Re: Looking for Elizabeth Payne / Watkin/ Bird on 1891 Census
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 18 April 19 22:04 BST (UK) »
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John born 1860 Grantham a boilermaker is with his family before the marriage but disappears after 1882, no children found

I guess you haven't found a death for him?
Hinchliffe Huddersfield Wiltshire

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Re: Looking for Elizabeth Payne / Watkin/ Bird on 1891 Census
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 18 April 19 22:07 BST (UK) »
Have you ruled out this Thomas?  All Births Notts, Notts,
RG12/2694/82/52

1891 Pritchard Terrace, St Mary, Notts.
Thomas   Bird   Head   Married   Male   31   1860    Bricklayer   
Mary   Bird   Wife   Married   Female   30   1861
John   Bird   Son   -   Male   6   1885   
Sarah   Bird   Daughter   -   Female   5   1886
William   Bird   Son   -   Male   4   1887   

Added.

I donít see any births for those Bird children.  Do they have another surname?
currently concentrating on NUTCHER & MARSHALL families, Hampshire.
and family of Thomas ANDERSON a Tailor of Perth, Scotland

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Re: Looking for Elizabeth Payne / Watkin/ Bird on 1891 Census
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 18 April 19 22:20 BST (UK) »
No Lincolnshire death for John and too common a name if he moved away. Looking at the family mentioned. Thomas married as a bachelor but may not have been. Thanks for the replies

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Re: Looking for Elizabeth Payne / Watkin/ Bird on 1891 Census
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 18 April 19 23:12 BST (UK) »

Hi,

Elizabeth is Lizzie in 1901 and 1911, I think this is her in 1891, transcribed at Ancestry as BORD,


1891  RG12/2716  f.61  p.2  Fenton,  Lincolnshire
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Thomas B?RD    Head    M    29    Bricklayer    Notts  Newark
Lizzie BIRD          Wife    M    27                        Cambs  Wisbech


Regards,
Daisy
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Re: Looking for Elizabeth Payne / Watkin/ Bird on 1891 Census
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 18 April 19 23:28 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much, that is them. Many thanks to everyone for their help.