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Offline peb205

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Looking for grandparents of Mary Ellen Davies
« on: Saturday 27 April 19 20:08 BST (UK) »
Born 1873 st asalph
I believe her parents were Robert Davies b1834 and Mary Jones b1842
Staffs:BARNETT,SAUNDERS/SANDERS,HICKMAN,GREGORY,WISE,GEORGE,ASTON, DAVENPORT/DEVONPORT
Bucks:PRATT,NUTT,STANNET,WELLS,MITCHELL,SEARES
Kent:GATES,BEACH/BEECH,HAMILTON,SCAMP,JOY,PEARSON,TURNER, KING,WILKINSON,HARRIS,JEWHURST,AVERY,FEATHERSTONE,REEVE,WILLARD, REYNOLDS,KEMSLEY/KIMSLEY,WILES,LEE,EPPS,FOX
Worcs:STOKES,HUGHES,FARMER,MULLET,TAYLOR,SOUTHALL
Ssx:BODLE,BUTLER,HOOD,DENNIS
Leics:DUDLEY,HUDSON,JEFFO,SHRIGLEY
Essex:PATIENT/PATIENCE,CASS,HOY,WATTS
Derby:PEARSON

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Re: Looking for grandparents of Mary Ellen Davies
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 27 April 19 21:10 BST (UK) »
You say you are looking for her grandparents - so where were her parents born as this info is not included in your post?  With surnames like Jones and Davies you need to provide more info

You say you “believe” they are her parents - what proof do you have?  Do you have her on any censuses with them?

Do you have her marriage cert confirming her father was Robert?

Have you looked for her parents marriage and bought a copy of the marriage cert to establish who their respective fathers were?

Have you looked for her parents on censuses prior to their marriage which will give you their respective parents names?

Related post here

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812082.msg6724131#msg6724131

Census info is free on www.familysearch.org and you can use www.freebmd.org.uk to look for her parents marriage




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Re: Looking for grandparents of Mary Ellen Davies
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 27 April 19 21:31 BST (UK) »
The census has him born in rhuddlan, Flintshire and and her in st Asaph, Flintshire but I can find their births and hence can’t find their parents
Staffs:BARNETT,SAUNDERS/SANDERS,HICKMAN,GREGORY,WISE,GEORGE,ASTON, DAVENPORT/DEVONPORT
Bucks:PRATT,NUTT,STANNET,WELLS,MITCHELL,SEARES
Kent:GATES,BEACH/BEECH,HAMILTON,SCAMP,JOY,PEARSON,TURNER, KING,WILKINSON,HARRIS,JEWHURST,AVERY,FEATHERSTONE,REEVE,WILLARD, REYNOLDS,KEMSLEY/KIMSLEY,WILES,LEE,EPPS,FOX
Worcs:STOKES,HUGHES,FARMER,MULLET,TAYLOR,SOUTHALL
Ssx:BODLE,BUTLER,HOOD,DENNIS
Leics:DUDLEY,HUDSON,JEFFO,SHRIGLEY
Essex:PATIENT/PATIENCE,CASS,HOY,WATTS
Derby:PEARSON

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Re: Looking for grandparents of Mary Ellen Davies
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 28 April 19 08:40 BST (UK) »
As Carole says we need more information on these surnames.  It helps if you give us census references so we can see the family ourselves.


You say you “believe” they are her parents - what proof do you have?  Do you have her on any censuses with them?

Do you have her marriage cert confirming her father was Robert?

Have you looked for her parents marriage and bought a copy of the marriage cert to establish who their respective fathers were?

Have you looked for her parents on censuses prior to their marriage which will give you their respective parents names?

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Re: Looking for grandparents of Mary Ellen Davies
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 28 April 19 09:48 BST (UK) »
The census has him born in rhuddlan, Flintshire and and her in st Asaph, Flintshire but I can find their births and hence can’t find their parents

Which census is this? By him, you will mean Robert but is ‘her’ Mary, mother or Mary Ellen, daughter.
I thought I had found the right family but I think mother is Hughes  :-\ it is no use my posting this, as it could be wrong.

Please would you post the details of the census you are referring to - 1881 or 1891?
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Re: Looking for grandparents of Mary Ellen Davies
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 28 April 19 09:56 BST (UK) »
The Mary you mention is in St Asaph, Denbigh in 1881 Census but is down as born 1873 Flintshire.

FreeREG has a Mass Baptism of some of the children 14 Aug 1881, St Margaret, Bodelwyddan, Flinstshire including;
MAY ELLEN 

They Bapt JOHN OWEN Davies 03 Feb 1881. Maybe the Vicar said what about the others ;D

1871 Mary may be a second Wife for Robert;
Robert Davies 37 Carpenter born Rhuddlan, Flintshire
Mary Davies 30 born Llansanffraid, Armenia*
Edward Davies 12
William W Davies 4
Charles Davies   1

DAVIES, CHARLES  HUGHES, Mothers mn HUGHES*** 
GRO Reference: 1870  M Quarter in ST ASAPH  Volume 11B  Page 375

Obviously more info is required as others have said.
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Re: Looking for grandparents of Mary Ellen Davies
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 28 April 19 10:00 BST (UK) »
That is the Hughes/Davies family I was looking at -there are several more children in 1881 5529/43/13.
There is a birth for Mary Ellen with mmn Hughes plus others with Jones. :)

I too thought it might be a second marriage.

However birthplaces don’t quite match with those given according to ‘the census’ quoted earlier.
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Re: Looking for grandparents of Mary Ellen Davies
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 28 April 19 10:03 BST (UK) »
Yes a little confusing 1881 Robert a Wheelwright, 1871 a Carpenter, but entirely possible given my G/G/Grandfather was both of those.

1863 there is a Robert Davies Marriage, Mary Hughes on same page.
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Re: Looking for grandparents of Mary Ellen Davies
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 28 April 19 10:14 BST (UK) »
Trish, Yes we are finding the same people and events.

It would have helped, peb205, to post the details already known or just think you have with that census you have seen.
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