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Re: Trying to trace my earliest ancestor......but struggling!
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 01 May 19 11:45 BST (UK) »
I've just bought a very big magnifying glass!! and extended my membership of Ancestry to lifetime. (A joke, in view of the recent comments about Ancestry's records.)

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Re: Trying to trace my earliest ancestor......but struggling!
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 01 May 19 12:40 BST (UK) »
They have original census records as well as original wills and parish records, so it's not completely useless.
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Re: Trying to trace my earliest ancestor......but struggling!
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 01 May 19 15:31 BST (UK) »
Be very cautious when using Visitations as a source, they are very like 16th and 17th century forms of Ancestry Trees.
Some are faithful accurate pedigrees, some contain errors and a few are flights of fancy complied to please the person concerned.

The medieval genealogy link posted by Vance cautions against regarding Heraldic Visitation books as gospel.
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Re: Trying to trace my earliest ancestor......but struggling!
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 01 May 19 23:58 BST (UK) »
The visitations are well known for some fabricated pedigrees to enhance a family's standing.
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Re: Trying to trace my earliest ancestor......but struggling!
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 02 May 19 17:28 BST (UK) »
Coincidently, a John de la Pole cropped up in a document about a court case  when I was looking at National Archives Discovery catalogue yesterday for records of the Stanley family (later Earls of Derby) for another RootsChat enquiry. That John may have been the successful lawyer whom I mentioned in an earlier post. 
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Re: Trying to trace my earliest ancestor......but struggling!
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 09 May 19 11:56 BST (UK) »
I'm sorry for the long delay in replying.
I feel very guilty after all your hard work.
I think I am going to have to research with far more care in the future.
Thank you again.
With best regards,
Geoff Deakin.

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Re: Trying to trace my earliest ancestor......but struggling!
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 09 May 19 22:40 BST (UK) »
It was interesting. It made a change from the usual ag. labs. and factory workers.
I was already familiar with the 2 De la Pole/Pole families which are not yours, the ones who married into royalty and whose children met violent ends under the Tudor monarchy.
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Re: Trying to trace my earliest ancestor......but struggling!
« Reply #34 on: Friday 22 November 19 23:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Thanks for all your replies, but....

I'm still struggling with Alicia de la Pole (1480-1500) !

I have two lineages suggested for her - The first is with her mother being Jane Okeover (1496-1524) and her father as John de la Pole of Hartington (1509-1570). The trouble here is that Jane was born 16 years after Alicia's birth and John was born 29 years after her birth.

The second option is her mother is Elizabeth Plantagenet (1444-1504) and her father as John de la Pole 2nd Duke of Suffolk (1442-1492). At least with this pairing, the dates allow a possibility, but I can't find any definite proof.

If anybody has any views on this, I would much appreciate their comments.

Alicia is doing my head in.

Cheers,

Geoff Deakin.

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Re: Trying to trace my earliest ancestor......but struggling!
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 23 November 19 06:23 GMT (UK) »
Jane was born 16 years after Alicia's birth and John was born 29 years after her birth.


I don't believe that humans have changed all that much over the last 1000 years but I'd say it's still rather unlikely that Alicia was the dau of Jane & John (assuming that the dates you've quoted were somewhat correct) - but of course it's your option to accept or reject the possibility.

That actually sounds like an example from an Ancestry tree I've seen   ::)

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