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Maguire or McGuire
« on: Saturday 04 May 19 16:45 BST (UK) »
I am trying to trace any information of my great grandfatherís family in Ireland Iíve come to a complete stop in my research. The only information Iíve got comes from his marriage in Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland which I can send you a copy. He and his wife, Father and mother all have ĎIreland Ď  as their details can you help?
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Re: Maguire or McGuire
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 04 May 19 17:24 BST (UK) »
Hi johnnymag

Welcome to RootsChat  :)

Would be good if you could add full names and dates from the marriage cert. Witness names? Ages/ est date of births?

Did they remain in Scotland after their marriage in Dalkeith? Depending on dates, have you got them on the Scottish censuses?

Tracing Irish roots can be hard so any detail is worth checking for.

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Re: Maguire or McGuire
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 05 May 19 17:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica
Thanks for the reply I have found the information I need about my great grandfather/mother after their wedding (through the censuses and Scottish records) but nothing before their wedding, all my research into the Irish records have drawn a blank. I could attach a copy of their marriage cert to my next reply but I donít know if that is allowed or advised. I could give you all the info I have but their original location in Ireland is unknown. I donít know if this forum is for research help or not, if it is I can supply all the information I have.  Please advise.
Thank you again for you time

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Re: Maguire or McGuire
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 05 May 19 20:08 BST (UK) »
RootsChat is all about people trying to help others with their research. So, please do add some details so people can see where you are at. It is not possible to add whole images of certificates here due to copyright issues. You can add clips of the cert though, such as details of bride and groom's parents perhaps.

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Re: Maguire or McGuire
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 07 May 19 15:57 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,
Thanks for the reply and sorry for the delay
Marriage information:    from Parish of Dalkeith, County of Edinburgh
Place & Date: St Davidís Catholic church,  Dalkeith, Midlothian. 19/01/1880
Age and Signature of Parties:  John Maguire, (his x mark )26 years  Gen Labourer ,  Bachelor .  Bridget Clarke (her x mark) 26 years Papermill worker, Spinster.      
 Usual residence: Both at Loanhead, Lasswade.
Johnís Father/ Mother: Edward McGuire, Gen Labourer (deceased). Helen McGuire, (M.S.Keernan)
Bridgetís Father/Mother: James Clarke, Gen Labourer (deceased).  Annie Clarke,(M.S. Brogan)   
Witnesses: Mr Thomson, Anthony Caraline and Martin Clarke.
All the censuses I have  cover Johnís/Bridgetís life , Chidren,  location (Loanhead)and deaths (records).
In all the censuses, under ĎíWhere Borníí both John and Bridget have entered Ireland   and at this point I am stuck   .  I have no starting point (Location) for both, or via their individual parents or family and Iíve tried various Irish searches both civil and church . I donít know when or where John and Bridget originated or came to Scotland. If you can point me in any other direction or advise me where to go from here I would be grateful and if there is any other information you need please ask. You will have noticed that the surname has changed from McGuire to Maguire  I saw this on Johns Marriage Cert and also the change appeared on Patrick his sonís (my grandfather) birth cert.
Thanks again
John Maguire
 

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Re: Maguire or McGuire
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 07 May 19 17:29 BST (UK) »
Sure, we can try to find something that may help.

Is this one of their sons? https://shsmparish.co.uk/Bishop_James_Maguire_SM

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Re: Maguire or McGuire
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 07 May 19 19:54 BST (UK) »
Yes, he is my grandfather's brother, I have copies of his birth and death certificates

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Re: Maguire or McGuire
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 07 May 19 22:38 BST (UK) »
John, there are some birth & christening entries, with parents showing as Edward Ma/cGuire and Ellen Kiernan (and variants):

This is the possible entry for John:

Name: Joannes McGuire [John McGuire ]
Baptism Age: 0
Birth Date: 1852
Baptism Date: 27 Jan 1852
Baptism Place: Colmcille, Longford, Ireland
Residence Place: Smear
Parish Variants: Columcille, Columkille
Diocese: Ardagh
Father: Edwardi McGuire
Mother: Elleonora Kiernan

Some family trees also have these siblings for John. :

Patrick McGuire 6 Jul 1848 Smear, County Longford - No original source is included
Edward McGuire 7 Feb 1850 Smear, County Longford - image from register
Thomas McGuire Smear, 30 March 1854 County Longford - No original source is included
Thomas McGuire Smear, 21 Mar 1858 Smear, County Longford - image from register - Likely first Thomas died young.

These entries are from the Catholic Parish Registers. Original images available to view via Ancestry. I think Findmypast also have these databases.

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Re: Maguire or McGuire
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 07 May 19 23:56 BST (UK) »
online

https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0158   Colmcille

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