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Re: Queenie M M Ayres
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 05 May 19 13:37 BST (UK) »
Ah that makes more sense than the marriage I found after the birth!
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Queenie M M Ayres
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 05 May 19 13:39 BST (UK) »
Was James Henshaw Mills an elderly bridegroom (75 on the 1911 index)??

Was he still alive to father Queenie in 1917?  Or could the Duke still be relevant?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Queenie M M Ayres
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 05 May 19 13:41 BST (UK) »
Was James Henshaw Mills an elderly bridegroom (75 on the 1911 index)??

I think he may have been this looks to be his death

James H Mills age 75
1911 Jul-Aug-Sep Bromyard Herefordshire Volume:   6a Page:   652

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Re: Queenie M M Ayres
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 05 May 19 13:43 BST (UK) »
Was James Henshaw Mills an elderly bridegroom (75 on the 1911 index)??

I think he may have been this looks to be his death

James H Mills age 75
1911 Jul-Aug-Sep Bromyard Herefordshire Volume:   6a Page:   652

Indeed.  GRO Online confirms this was James Henshaw Mills.  So not Queenie’s father.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Queenie M M Ayres
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 05 May 19 14:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks avm

I hadn't noticed the dates.

She must have liked the older man as Henry John Brinsley Manners , 8th Duke of Rutland  died in 1925.

I suppose the only way go is to get Queenies  birth certificate.

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Re: Queenie M M Ayres
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 05 May 19 14:19 BST (UK) »
I agree you need the birth certificate, but I very much doubt it will name the Duke of Rutland!  Given that the birth was registered as Mills with mmn Williams it will probably show Queenie as daughter of Agnes Mills née Williams and either be silent as to paternity or contain the name of her late husband as though he were still alive.  One of my ancestors claimed a child born in 1837 was born to herself and her husband - problem was, her husband had in fact died 4 years earlier!

From the newspapers, the Duke seems to have been busy carrying out public duties, including in his role as Lord Lieutenant of Leicestershire, in the autumn of 1916 when Queenie would have been conceived (born 20 July 1917).

I wonder how a link has been established (if indeed it has) - perhaps by documented acknowledgement at the time, or by modern DNA?

Interestingly there seems to have been acknowledgment that the Duke’s own youngest daughter (as recognised by law), Lady Diana Manners b 1892, was in fact fathered by another man, Henry/Harry Cust.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Queenie M M Ayres
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 05 May 19 14:35 BST (UK) »

I suppose the only way go is to get Queenies  birth certificate.


If you do please come back and let us know what it says  :)

This entry matches birth you mentioned 1939 register

Caroline M Carson Birth 20 Jul 1917
Address:   210 E Norton Rd Apt 8, Springfield, MO, 65803-3689 (1987)

Caroline M. Carson
Last Residence:   65803 Springfield, Greene, Missouri, USA
Born:   20 Jul 1917
Died:   30 Sep 2010
State (Year) SSN issued:   New Hampshire (1951-1953)


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Re: Queenie M M Ayres
« Reply #25 on: Monday 06 May 19 14:10 BST (UK) »
Certificate ordered, will post information when it arrives.
Thank you all for helping.
Jinksie

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Re: Queenie M M Ayres
« Reply #26 on: Monday 13 May 19 13:11 BST (UK) »
Hello all,

Just an update on the birth certificate of Queenie , unfortunately no fathers name given.
I have no idea where the tree on ancestry gets the 8th Duke of Rutland as the father from unless there has been a DNA test done. I doubt i will ever know the real father, i have no way of contacting the tree owner so it remains a mystery. 

Thank you for all that helped in the search for her.
Jinksie