help with identifying arms

[Old Bristolian]

The arms are quartered - the same in the top left and bottom right (the lion) and also the top right and bottom left (the three birds). It's just that the secondary shield in the centre hides the third bird on the bottom left.

[bearkin]

Thanks everyone. It's definitely English as the waiter is hallmarked for London 1777. The whole arms are only 1 inch wide and the engraving is very rubbed by historic polishing so I am sure some detail is missing, which might account for the crudeness.

Looking again those are definitely Or, demi-lions rampant in Q1 and 4 which is a great help.

Definitely 3 birds in quarters 2 and 3, one is just hidden in Q3 by the escutcheon. I have attached another photo, which might help identification of the type of bird. Looks like a crow to me. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

The N shapes definitely look like those gates in the Mart 'n' Al's image. I think the tincture of behind the gates might be gules. As to the charges in the middle could they be trees of some kind?

Thanks for all the help so far.

Peter

[Old Bristolian]

As for the arms on the escuctcheon, it would be worth looking at the arms of various Y(e)at(e)s families - they are very similar

[Skoosh]

Centre shield looks like three anchors?

Skoosh.

[Kiltpin]

I always understood that one coat of arms imposed on a second implied that the greater one was the inherited family arms and the the smaller an office or title held by that individual,

Steve

 

No, not quite. The inescutcheon is the armiger's wife if she is an heraldic heiress. Arms of office are impaled (as if married). 

Regards 

Chas

[Kiltpin]

As for the arms on the escuctcheon, it would be worth looking at the arms of various Y(e)at(e)s families - they are very similar

 

I said so in post #3. That is a cut and past directly from Papworth. 

Regards 

Chas

[bearkin]

Thanks for all the help guys. On basis that the main quarter is likely to be Talstock, I started to look for that name in Ancestry and Findmypast. I cannot find a single entry anywhere including Google for that name. I wonder where Papworth got that name as it does not seem to exist.

I guess I will never know who the owners where. It maybe that the arms are a Victorian fantasy:)

All the best, Peter