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Re: Sisters or not and where was the first marriage?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 09 May 19 16:33 BST (UK) »
It's there as a female. Mother = Castle
Charles John Mason Dec 1848, Eton - mmn is Castle.  He's listed as female!

added: just beat me to it tellx

Well found both didn't think of looking under female

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Re: Sisters or not and where was the first marriage?
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 09 May 19 16:41 BST (UK) »
Still not found a marriage Charles Mason to Ann CASTLE  ???

Ann CASTLE age 25 is with her parents John & Mary plus siblings including her sister Harriott Castle
living in Berkshire  HO107; Piece: 12; Bray Berkshire Folio: 6; Page: 6;

If a marriage took place should be between 1841 - 1848

Charles MASON  Baptism 25 Jun   1820
Father Thomas Mother   Lucy
Parish   East Woodhay Hampshire
Notes   bn 6 Nov 1819
Record set   Hampshire baptisms

Could this be Charles on 1841c  Puxol, Fareham, Hampshire

Charles Mason   23. 1818   Hampshire - Can't make out occupation
HO107 Piece 389 Folio number   15 Page number   2




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Re: Sisters or not and where was the first marriage?
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 09 May 19 16:42 BST (UK) »
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Re: Sisters or not and where was the first marriage?
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 09 May 19 17:52 BST (UK) »
Still not finding a marriage for Ann & Charles  ???

Would the 1848 birth certificate of son Charles be helpful, an address

Doubtful but would the death of Ann hold any clues, informant, address

Do you know when/where Ann died?

Was her surname registered as Mason or Castle?

Charles & Ann's daughter Harriet Castle Mason born Jun 1850

Marriage of Annís sister Harriet Strike/Castle to said Charles Mason Jan 1857

I'm assuming Ann died after 1850 before 1857


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Re: Sisters or not and where was the first marriage?
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 09 May 19 18:32 BST (UK) »
First a huge thank you for your help sorry I had to disappear for a while So young Charles was in GRO after all I'd would never had looked for a female registration.So the Charles with mother Rooke was son of a Bengamin so that clears that one up.  So it definitely looks like Ann was a Castle  and her place of birth and age link with Harriet's sister but where was that marriage? Finding Charles as witness to Harriet's first marriage makes the link very solid. Harriet Castle Mason was born in Bermondsey so that is where I would think Ann died and it must have been between 1851 and 1857.
George Strike died 1855 in Bermondsey so both couples have moved there.Its such a shame I can't find any of his service records other than the Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949 which does not mention his next of kin etc
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Re: Sisters or not and where was the first marriage?
« Reply #14 on: Friday 10 May 19 09:15 BST (UK) »

George Strike died 1855 in Bermondsey so both couples have moved there.

Its such a shame I can't find any of his service records other than the Military Campaign Medal and Award Rolls, 1793-1949 which does not mention his next of kin etc

I can't see an 1855 death entry in Bermondsey on FreeBMD for  George Strike  ??? - what was his age?

Could you give details from the Military Campaign Medal ie: name of Regt. he served with

From his marriage to Harriet Castle his father James STRIKE occ Sawyer

I wonder if this is his father on the census

1871 Fern Hill
James , Mary, William Robert NORTH
James son in law, Eliza COLLENS
James STRIKE 87 father in law, widower, occ. late Sawyer   

1861 RG 9; Piece: 756; Folio: 21; Page: 11
James STRIKE 67 , Sawyer, Esther mother age 101, Hannah dau age 31

1851 c Piece: 1694 Folio:555 page 10
Hatchet Lane Winkfield   
James Strike Head   60 Winkfield, occ Sawyer
Ann Strike wife   65 Winkfield
Hannah Strike dau   21 Winkfield
Hester Strike mother   92

on the same 1851 census Living next door thereís are family with the
surname CASTLE John, Mster Blacksmith , Mary A, Ann g/dau 13, John 1 g/son

1841c Winkfield
HO107; Piece: 26 Folio: 11; Page: 16
No occupation given for James
James, Anne, Hannah, Hester STRIKE

If the above James & Ann are George's parents I wonder if this is their marriage

James STRIKE
Spouse Ann PHILLIPS
04 Mar 1810 Old Windsor,Berkshire

maybe no connection but the other witness to George Strike/Harriet Castle's marriage was a
Benjím PHILLIPS

1851 census Hacket Lane Winkfield has a George Strike 28 Winkfield, Berkshire single
brother in law occ Ag Labourer of James NORTH
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGVY-679

and this death in 1855

George STRIKE Age   33
Residence   Hatchet Lane Burial 02 Nov 1855 St Peter Cranbourne Berkshire

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Re: Sisters or not and where was the first marriage?
« Reply #15 on: Friday 10 May 19 10:59 BST (UK) »
I must have been having a daft moment  what I meant to write was about Charles Mason not George Strike who as you have died in 1855  in East Hamptead aged 33.
 I haven't found Charles Mason's death he served in the Mounted Staff Corps in the Crimea but I can't find any useful military papers giving his next of kin and occupation when he joined up

Sorry to confuse everyone.
The information you have given about the Strike family is very useful thank you for that

"on the same 1851 census Living next door thereís are family with the
surname CASTLE John, Mster Blacksmith , Mary A, Ann g/dau 13, John 1 g/son"
This of course is Ann and Harriet's father
Harriet Castle and George Strike both witness her twin's ,(Richard) marriage in St Marylebone, just before they marry themselves, So did the whole family move to London
 I have yet to identify the grand children Ann Castle 1838 and John Castle 1850 from the 1851 census  Will look for them next
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Re: Sisters or not and where was the first marriage?
« Reply #16 on: Friday 10 May 19 19:14 BST (UK) »

I must have been having a daft moment  what I meant to write was about Charles Mason not George Strike who as you have died in 1855  in East Hamptead aged 33.

 I haven't found Charles Mason's death he served in the Mounted Staff Corps in the Crimea but I can't find any useful military papers giving his next of kin and occupation when he joined up

Sorry to confuse everyone.


Do you know this is your Charles Mason?

Charles Mason
Service Date:   1854-1855
Service Place:   Crimea
Campaign or Service:   Crimean War
Regiment or Unit Name:   Mounted Staff Corps

I see from a previous post that MaxD has said "His record has, unsurprisingly,  not survived".
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=808973.0

Charles Mason is on 1881 census

16B Portland Road Kensington
Charles Mason   61 E Woodhay, Hampshire occ Sewing Machine Agent
Harriet Mason   51
Albert Mason   22
Letitia Mason   18

Do you have him on a later census?

His daughter Letitia married  - he's not noted as deceased so perhaps his death is after 1887

8 Aug 1887 St Martin, Kentish Town, Camden
Letilia Mary Mason 24, 1 Oak Village  father Charles Mason occ commercial traveller
Spouse:   John Robert Farmary

Is this his wife Harriet's death?

Harriet Mason age 56
Dec 1885 Kensington Volume:   1a. Page:   63

London Electoral Register has a

Charles Mason
Year 1885 Kensington and Chelsea
address:   16B Portland Road - Charles & Harriet were also living at 16 Portland Road on 1871 census

Charles Mason
Year 1887 Kensington and Chelsea
address:   28 Addison Road North
this Charles is also on 1902/1911 - looking at 1901 census for 28 Addison Road Charles born 1841
so he can be ruled out

Not found Oak Village address on ER given on daughters marriage cert. 1887

There is this death entry in Paddington

Charles Mason age 68
Mar 1887 Paddington Volume:   1a Page:   56

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Re: Sisters or not and where was the first marriage?
« Reply #17 on: Friday 10 May 19 19:50 BST (UK) »
The last census I have 1881 Yes theCrimea service is definitely him this is an extract of his Metropolitan Police record
Born      At Eastwoodhay Hants on the 4th Novr 1820
Father      Thomas Mason
Mother      Lucy Mason
Joined      Westminster   on the 22nd October 1849
Posted to M <Southwark>, Resigned to go to the Crimea July 1853
Rejoined 22nd December 185? posted to T <Kensington>
Transferred to X <Paddington> on formation 30th October 1865
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