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Re: George Rigby baptism Help needed
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 01:50 BST (UK) »
Re. marriage bond & allegation of George Rigby for his marriage to Nancy Thistleton.

This is informative from Borthwick Institute, University of York. Includes examples.
Marrying by Licence: Marriage Bonds and Allegations
https://www.york.ac.uk/media/borthwick/documents/5marriagebonds.pdf
Among points to note:
'The marriage Bond set a financial penalty on the groom and his bondsman in case the allegation shall prone to be false.'
'The sum named on the bond was not the price of the marriage licence. It was the penalty sum, and was deliberately set high to deter irregular marriages.'
The ages given on marriage bonds and allegations should be treated with caution. ….  If the bond or allegation states that he was 21 or above then this is only stating that the person has reached the age of majority.'
The 1741 example shown has the sum of £200 in type on the bond.
If either bridegroom or bride was a minor, permission of father or guardian was required.

See also 'Marriage Allegations, Bonds and Licences in England and Wales' (FamilySearch)
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Marriage_Allegations_Bonds_and_Licences_in_England_and_Wales
Bonds were set between £40 and £200 according to this.

From the above information one might consider that George may have been over 21 and that he wasn't necessarily wealthy. Providing his sworn allegation was true there would never have been need for him or his bondsman to produce £200. The only money he had to pay was the cost of the licence. Cost of licences varied from a few shillings in 18thC to a few pounds at end of 19thC.

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Re: George Rigby baptism Help needed
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 09:52 BST (UK) »
Thanks Maiden Stone. That info was really helpful. I have a copy of the bond from Ancestry, it contains no evidence of any parental consent. His guarantor is Edmund Tovey, inn keeper from Preston. Wonder who he was? I’ve just noticed that George signed Rigby as ‘Riggby’. There is a marriage bond listed at lancs archives. Wonder if it would contain more info?

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Re: George Rigby baptism Help needed
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 10:58 BST (UK) »
Maiden Stone, do you know if any Ladyewell baptism records are available? If so from what date? It’s just a hunch, but there’s a John Rigby married to Ellen/Helen Boyse/Boys at Lancaster 1765, but baptised 2 children from 1774 at Fernyhalgh. Ellen was from Durton Broughton, maybe Durton lane which was very close to Ladyewell and Fernyhalgh. If the John 1797 was George’s first son, maybe he was named after his father. Many thanks

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Re: George Rigby baptism Help needed
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 16 May 19 01:34 BST (UK) »
Re reply #10. The marriage bond at Lancashire Archives will be the same as the one you've seen, I think. Do you know where Ancestry got it from?

As Nancy was a minor, consent of her father or guardian should have been recorded. See the example headed 'Marrying by Licence: Minors' in the University of York link ( reply #9). The bride in the example shown was 18. The bridegroom alleged that he intended to marry Rachel Raper, 18 years, with consent of her father, John Raper. Rachel's father had to say that he agreed to the marriage.
' …. appeared also John Raper, ye natural & Lawful Father of ye said Rachel Raper & made Oath yt he is consenting to ye aforesaid intending marriage.
Sworn before me …….. ' followed by John Raper's signature.

Did you notice in LANCAT a marriage licence dated 5th Sept. 1796 Nicholas Rigby, 21, of Woodplumpton. He married Catherine Smith, 20, also of Woodplumpton the same day at St. Michael's, St. Michael on Wyre. Witnessed by Thomas Hodson and Frances Howard. Baptisms of their children are in Newhouse register.

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Re: George Rigby baptism Help needed
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 16 May 19 02:18 BST (UK) »
Our Lady of the Well, Fernyhalgh registers are at Lancashire Archives. Some were published by Catholic Record Society. Baptism register begins 1771. Marriage register from 1838, burial register 1802 and MIs 1811.
Baptisms 1771-1833 and burials 1802-1856 are in 'Lancashire Registers 5 : Fernyhalgh, Goosnargh and Alston Lane', Catholic Record Society volume 31.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Haighton/OurLadyoftheWell


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Re: George Rigby baptism Help needed
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 16 May 19 05:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks Maiden Stone. That info was really helpful. I have a copy of the bond from Ancestry, it contains no evidence of any parental consent. His guarantor is Edmund Tovey, inn keeper from Preston. Wonder who he was? I’ve just noticed that George signed Rigby as ‘Riggby’. There is a marriage bond listed at lancs archives. Wonder if it would contain more info?
I wonder if this is Edmund - a year after the marriage of George ?

Burial: 18 Jan 1797 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Edmund Tovey -
    Age: 40
    Register: Burials 1795 - 1806, Page 14, Entry 27
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