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Re: Searching for Mary James - birth mother of Rachel Mary James
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 11 May 19 15:19 BST (UK) »
obituary for Mary's father mentioning funeral at Bethel (Methodist) Chapel.

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3677243/3677251/82/

and one for her grandfather

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3794421/3794424/14/
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Searching for Mary James - birth mother of Rachel Mary James
« Reply #10 on: Monday 13 May 19 12:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks Osprey. Theyíre helpful.

Evan Evans is a bit of a head scratcher though. His motherís maiden name should be James, but I canít find a birth record that matches or for his brother James. So was David not really his grandfather?

The plot thickens, but Iíd like to tie up that loose end.
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Re: Searching for Mary James - birth mother of Rachel Mary James
« Reply #11 on: Monday 13 May 19 22:55 BST (UK) »
possible birth regs
Evan James march qtr 1868 Llandilofawr vol 11a pg 677  mmn -
David James sept qtr 1866 Llandilofawr vol 11a pg 670 mmn -
so boys registered before marriage of mother

Wonder if Eleanor born c. 1842 could be their mother? Census 1861 shows her as a dairy maid RG9/4130 folio 51 pg 2 with family called Evans.
She married James Davies june qtr 1870 Llandovery vol 11a pg 915 and in the 1871 census is in Talley, sister Hannah visiting RG10/5482 folio 48 pg 10
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Searching for Mary James - birth mother of Rachel Mary James
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 11:02 BST (UK) »
Thanks Osprey. The plot then thickens about the Evans name.

Potential mothers would be Eleanor b. 1842, Hannah b. 1845, Margaret b. 1846.  Your info on Eleanor could be right, and a birth certificate would tell me.  But another missing father!  These families make it tough!

I wonder if James Davies is a sibling of the John Davies that Mary may have married? Very common name though.  When the certificates arrive, Iíll try to start unpicking it.

Once again, thank you for your time and assistance.
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Re: Searching for Mary James - birth mother of Rachel Mary James
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 20:12 BST (UK) »
I had a look for the sisters later on. Eleanor & James Davies had a son called William David, so perhaps David James not her son.
Hannah James married John Griffiths 20 Oct 1873 at Christchurch, Brynamman. 1891 the family is in Llandilofawr RG12/4512 folio 47 pg 18, Eleanor & James Davies are on the same page.

Haven't found Margaret as yet.


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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Searching for Mary James - birth mother of Rachel Mary James
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 16 May 19 12:18 BST (UK) »
Osprey, got the birth certificate for Mary and itís a match.  It will take me a while to get her marriage certificate because it has to get to me in Oz.

Yeah, Iím not sure about Eleanor being the mother of the two boys. I might have to get one of the birth certificates if we canít find a better explanation.

Thanks again.
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