Birth at sea

[TwiggyTree]

Seeing the post Death aT Sea https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=812695.0, made me wonder ...

...when there is a birth at sea, where is it genealogically accurate to record that the person was actually born?

The departure port, or arrival destination, or simply 'At sea', or the country the ship was closest too?  Or do you look at the parents and take their country of birth/departure?  So many options!

Look forward to your chiming in 

[Milliepede]

At sea!

Other options wouldn't be accurate. 

[TwiggyTree]

Mmmm... that's what I have been putting;

BUT when I produce a circle diagram that is where it doesn't quite look correct, as the % citizenship is calculated, and there it seems more accurate to assign the birth to at least the country of origin of the parents. [Citizenship has always been a geographical land assignment not a sea one.]

Are births (or deaths for that matter) at sea ever recorded in a country's register ie NZ BDMH? or UK GRO?

[seaweed]

Can you tell us When the birth took place.

[jess5athome]

Commenting for notification's............ 

Frank.

[kiwihalfpint]

At sea, death in 1866 of a wee child, followed by a birth of sibling, 3 months later. As the ship was on its way to Victoria, Australia, both the birth and death were registered there, with the birth/death being put as "At Sea"


Cheers
KHP

[TwiggyTree]

seaweed, the one currently at the fore is in 1859.


KHP, thanks for sharing your experience.


In this case the family were ENGLISH, the child was born apparently off the coast of AUSTRALIA, and the birth was registered in NEW ZEALAND.  My statistical inclination was to record the birth as ENGLISH as the boat hadn't arrived in New Zealand, and the child's parents were ENGLISH citizens.


However I have just seen that the GEDCOM protocol has a NATIONALITY attribute which I had ignored until now being that most births occur and are registered to one place where the parents are citizens.

So in this case I am thinking the BIRTH is recorded as "At sea" supported with a SOURCE of the birth being registered in NZ, and I could add a NATIONALITY of English.  WDYT?

[minniehaha]

This from the GRO.....

From 1854 records of births, marriages and deaths at sea had, first, to be recorded in ships’ logs. When the ships next docked at a British port the information from the logs was then recorded by the Registrar General of Shipping and Seamen (RGSS). Copies of the RGSS registers were periodically sent to the General Register Office.


Minniehaha.

[minniehaha]

And this from New Zealand........

Births at sea [1847]…

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZ18470901.2.8?query=registration%20of%20births%20at%20sea&start_date=01-01-1839&end_date=31-12-1874&snippet=true

Registrations [1848]…..

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NENZC18480304.2.13?query=registration%20of%20deaths%20at%20sea&start_date=01-01-1839&end_date=31-12-1874&snippet=true&type=ARTICLE


Births at sea [1873]…….

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WI18731120.2.5?query=registration%20of%20births%20at%20sea&start_date=01-01-1839&end_date=31-12-1874&snippet=true&type=ARTICLE

Births at sea [1859]……..

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/OW18591015.2.10.6?query=registration%20of%20births%20at%20sea&start_date=01-01-1839&end_date=31-12-1874&snippet=true&type=ARTICLE


Minniehaha.