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Re: 1 T or 2 ? PATERSON or PATTERSON
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 12 May 19 07:44 BST (UK) »
Annie, back in the day before the magnificent coast road in Antrim was built, it was easier for folk in the glens to get across to Scotland than it was to get to their neighbours over the hill. Campbeltown was a big attraction during the herring boom & many stayed on. Big distillery toon especially during prohibition & a very distinctive accent tae!
 There is a bit of a presumption that ordinary folk were unable to spell their names back then, they were as intelligent as they are now if not always literate!

Sheugh = shuch as in loch but perjink folks say shooch!  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 12 May 19 10:03 BST (UK) »
There is a bit of a presumption that ordinary folk were unable to spell their names back then, they were as intelligent as they are now if not always literate!

Yes, people were intelligent, but that did not help with the spelling of names in records which were being written by someone else. My own surname has more spelling variants than I care to count and the Paterson/Patterson line in my tree has both spellings within one set of siblings even though the parents were literate and signed their own names on the marriage record.
Crackett, Cracket, Webb, Turner, Henderson, Murray, Carr, Stavers, Thornton, Oliver, Davis, Hall, Anderson, Bainbridge, Charlton, Chator, Corbett, Coxon, Davis, Dow, Farside, Garden, Gowans, Harmsworth, Hedley, Hunter, Ironside, Johnson, Laidler, Mason, Miller, Milne, Moreis, Nesbitt, Newton, Parkinson, Piery, Reay, Reed, Read, Reid, Robinson, Ruddiman, Smith, Tait, Thompson, Watson, Wilson, Young

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 12 May 19 12:20 BST (UK) »
Black, in his surnames, gives more than a dozen spellings of Paterson, diminutive of Patrick!
 Folk were quite capable of deciding what their own name was without resorting to some clerk & back in the day, spelling was not standardised anyhow. I have an auld Paterson neighbour who pronounces it pate-erson in any case! & Pate was commonly used for Patrick hereabouts!

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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 12 May 19 12:38 BST (UK) »
Folk were quite capable of deciding what their own name was without resorting to some clerk & back in the day, spelling was not standardised anyhow. I have an auld Paterson neighbour who pronounces it pate-erson in any case! & Pate was commonly used for Patrick hereabouts! 

Skoosh, you are good at talking about 'back in the day' without much detail about the day you refer to.  I'm sure Victorian folk (for example) were intelligent as required by their circumstances, but to judge by the number that only signed with their 'mark' I don't believe many of them had strong views about how to spell their surnames. They knew how they sounded of course, but in many cases it was up to a cleric to choose how to write it.  Even in rural communities what must have been a common surname fluctuated between variants: Haworth = Howarth or Howard, for example.  The owners didn't need to know as a rule.
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« Reply #13 on: Sunday 12 May 19 14:40 BST (UK) »
Anent "Back in the day!" before  Samuel Johnson's dictionary appeared in 1755, there was no standardised spelling of English. It was whatever some clerk fancied it was! 
 Scotland subsequently had a high literacy rate, despite half the population being Gaelic speakers and not literate in that language. Scots & Gaelic speakers had to learn English at school and switched between the two as circumstances required  (as many still do!)  familiarity between Gaelic & Scots was also very common. My own grandfather, an engineer,  spoke Scots/English & understood his parents Gaelic. The fact some signed with an X, and I had an Orcadian g'grandfather who did just that, is no indication of general language skills which for ordinary folk were often better than today!

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« Reply #14 on: Sunday 12 May 19 15:07 BST (UK) »
There are, of course, three levels of language competency - understanding, conveying and writing. 

Understanding - can a person receive and understand simple instruction and greetings. 

Conveying - can a person express their desires and hold a conversation. 

Writing - can a person communicate solely by written means. 

When, I, as a native English speaker attended a German Tech College, I had no problems with all the subjects except for German Language, which required written essays. 

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Re: 1 T or 2 ? PATERSON or PATTERSON
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 12 May 19 15:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks for all your comments

The children of this man.were given surname of her late husband I wonder if they used the name Patterson later and if 1 or 2  T's
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« Reply #16 on: Sunday 12 May 19 16:28 BST (UK) »
Rough indication, Google," Patterson, Belfast" & "Patterson, Glasgow" not many hits for the latter!  ;D


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« Reply #17 on: Sunday 12 May 19 17:06 BST (UK) »
I.ll do the same for Australia and USA
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