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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 08:48 BST (UK) »
Hi,

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Have found an article in Kington Times 13 February 1959 where a Mr Natty Smith of the Caravan Site, Hoarwithy Road, Hereford was sold a caravan for 90. Unfortunately the man selling the caravan was buying it on hire purchase for 276, he got into difficulty paying the instalments and sold the caravan. He was unaware that he was not able to do so.

I presume this could be your grandfather (Natty Smith)?

JJ
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Yes that my grandfather.i would like to find out the names of his children he had 11 and only one alive today,]

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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 10:45 BST (UK) »
I don't know any dates, just names.i know my Nan died in Kettering in 1990s at St Mary's hospital and buried in rothwell northants .she was using"Holland"at that point I think
That's all that we needed to get a little further on that line

The 1942 Marriage is between a Nathaniel and a Darkie. (both Smiths)

Are they the parents of Amos? (& Amos also went on to marry a Darkie? )

A possible death, (mother of the Darkie wed to Amos)?

Name:   Ella Matchett-holland  also registered as Spies Ella Matchett
Birth :   2 Mar 1919
Death : Dec 1998 Kettering  Northamptonshire
Refs A53D / 6691A / 259

BIRTH    Spies E Smith
Registration Date:   Apr 1/4 1919
Registration district:   Derby
MMN/ Vol/ Page:   Booth / 7b / 827

Marriage Registration Date:   Sep 1/4 1936
Loughborough
Spouse:   Charles E Matchett
Volume / page :   7a/ 452

POSSIBLE (supposition only-no proof) birth
Births Mar 1914  MATCHETT    Charles E    Whyman    Ashby Z    7a   189

Death:Apr 1/4 1983    Charles Ernest Matchett Nottingham / Vol 8 / Page 0598
Birth Date:   12 Dec 1913 (close enough?)

from the 1939 index, there is a Charles Matchett b 12/12/1914 in  Basford.
I suspect with confusion over Spies Ella / pricilae his wife's record  hasn't been opened.

I can see no likely birth record for the lady in the newspaper article though.
Is your mother still alive to ask when /where she and Amos wed, when (about) she was born and if she was ever known by a name other than Darki? (and what that name is)
and ALSO when (approx year) was Amos (your father) born?
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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 13:36 BST (UK) »

My dad"amos Smith is in his 80's old and very poorly so asking him dates etc is pointless,
I didn't know he was my father until last yr so I no nothing,darkus is his wife's name and that's her real name.
I will talk to my mum about this,but traveling folk don't like to talk about this kind of stuff so I'm finding it hard to get info.

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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 13:58 BST (UK) »
So Darkie/Darkus the wife of Amos is not your natural mother?

You really should talk with Amos (or your mother)  and see what is suggested as names for his siblings, don't interrogate, just ask what he/she remembers.
Was he the eldest, somewhere in the middle or a tail-ender?

And you also NEED that marriage certificate between Amos & Darkie (even if Darkie is not your natural mother).

That Matchett - smith marriage certificate and the two birth certificates (for the bride & groom) are your next step(s) on that line

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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 14:47 BST (UK) »
Is it possible that Darkie is really Dorcas?   

There is a possible marriage in 1950's  Amos Smith and Dorcas Davies.   :-\
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 15:59 BST (UK) »

The one mentioned at reply #7?
The OP needs to ask when the marriage was and send off for the appropriate cert.
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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 16:10 BST (UK) »
Oops....apologies....missed that.  :-[
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 17:03 BST (UK) »
So Darkie/Darkus the wife of Amos is not your natural mother?

You really should talk with Amos (or your mother)  and see what is suggested as names for his siblings, don't interrogate, just ask what he/she remembers.
Was he the eldest, somewhere in the middle or a tail-ender?

And you also NEED that marriage certificate between Amos & Darkie (even if Darkie is not your natural mother).

That Matchett - smith marriage certificate and the two birth certificates (for the bride & groom) are your next step(s) on that line

Pauline
Darkus isn't my mother,my mum and amos was only together few months in 1970 in Hereford hop Field's,I was only told amos was my father last yr .
Hes the youngest of  . 11 children and only one alive still.
Amos and darkus have 3 children and I'm also his son ,my mum is wendy "patrulia"matchet.
My dad is very poorly and remember s nothing and my mouther didn't know his family.
Darkus told me they have been married 60yrs and married when in there twenties.all Amos family are from Hereford .
I will be able to get the matchet side dates from my oldest brother.

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Re: Natty Smith Hereford gypsy family
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 17:10 BST (UK) »
Is it possible that Darkie is really Dorcas?   

There is a possible marriage in 1958 in Abergavenny;  Amos Smith and Dorcas Davies.   :-\
That could be her ,they lived on abdrgavenny Rd in a wagon and traveld around Herefordshir and Welsh borders