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Re: Martha Jane Williams/Evans/Richards Haverfordwest
« Reply #9 on: Monday 13 May 19 22:18 BST (UK) »
if you look at all the sheets on that record, there is a signature Martha Jane Williams 22 April 1922. The reference 24 July 1919 to mother as Martha Jane Evans is possibly an error, no signature but by mark, other children Williams, but daughter Martha Jane now Evans, possibly this marriage

Martha J Williams june qtr 1918 Haverfordwest vol 11a pg 2108 to Aran Evans

Not sure why you feel Martha Jane was born 1890. She is shown as 7 on the 1901 census and her birth was registered sept qtr 1893. 1911 shows her as 17. Thomas has been mistranscribed as Mornus

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7JR-GN2

Baptism is from the church record.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Martha Jane Williams/Evans/Richards Haverfordwest
« Reply #10 on: Monday 13 May 19 22:46 BST (UK) »
I found the Mornus record and dismissed it.

This is what I have regarding the Richards family.
1881 Census Cuckoo
Thomas Richards . 30 . (c.1877) . Langum . Railway Porter (Langwm?)
Martha Richards . 32 (c.1879) . Walton
Martha J Richards . 10 (c.1871) . Walton . Scholar
Elizabeth A Richards . 8 (c. 1873) . Walton . Scholar.
Alice M Richards . 6 (c.1875) . Lambston . Scholar.
Florence Richards . 2 (c.1879) . Lambston
Vessel: 13 Piece: 5419 Folio: 50 Page: 7
I believe Cuckoo is the Cuckoo Farm area a few miles outside Haverfordwest on the St. Davidís Road and Cuckoo Lane is off the road from Haverfordwest to Broadhaven, which encloses a large area of agricultural land.

In 1891 they are at Glassmore, which I do not know.
Thomas Richards again a Railway Porter is from Broadway, Walton.
Martha J Richards It says birth at Glassmore Hill as with Florence E Richards who is a Scholar
There is also:
Thomas Richards . 9 (c.1882) . Scholar
Rose Richards . 8 (c.1883) . Scholar
Agnes Richards . 6 (c.1885)
George Richards . 4 (c.1887)
Beatrice M Richards . 1 (c.1890)
Glassmore Hill 3 Rooms
St. Martin: Vessel: 13 Piece: 5436 Folio: 136; Page: 9
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Re: Martha Jane Williams/Evans/Richards Haverfordwest
« Reply #11 on: Monday 13 May 19 22:58 BST (UK) »
you can't always rely on transcriptions. Check the original 1911 to see what Mornus really is.


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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Martha Jane Williams/Evans/Richards Haverfordwest
« Reply #12 on: Monday 13 May 19 23:16 BST (UK) »
I had seen: Martha J Williams june qtr 1918 Haverfordwest vol 11a pg 2108 to Aran Evans. But I could not fit it into the information I had. The war article was in 1917, when both Martha Janeís were Williams (Evans) and Evans. It is after Thomas Williams her husband had died and before this marriage. Could it be the daughterís marriage? In 1917 she would be arond 23. For now, I will stop trying to make sense of it as I seem to be right regarding the families and there is plenty for me to piece together.

The Mornus record fits apart from his name and saying the names I can see how it was written/transcribed incorrectly. In the morning I will go to the library and check the actual documents. Thanks for your help.
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Re: Martha Jane Williams/Evans/Richards Haverfordwest
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 14 May 19 09:06 BST (UK) »
yes John died in 1917 but the sheet of the paperwork with the names & ages is dated 24 July 1919. Ages given for siblings match with dates of birth
Martha Jane 26 - born sept qtr 1893
Thomas 24 - born sept qtr 1894
Violet May 13 - born sept qtr 1906
Florence Edith 7 - born march qtr 1912
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Martha Jane Williams/Evans/Richards Haverfordwest
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 14 May 19 09:48 BST (UK) »
Very late yesterday I found a newspaper article. I was searching for the brothers of Martha Jane Williams and under Thomas Richards I found this about the funeral of a child which names so many relatives in Laugharne and Aberdare: https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4119112/4119115/15/ I knew there was a connection to Aberdare, but had found nothing. Now I am trying to make sense of it, as at present, I am not sure whose child it was. So many of them I can place in my family tree, but the branches are spreading far and wide. It takes something like this to find pieces in the jigsaw I would never have found.
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Re: Martha Jane Williams/Evans/Richards Haverfordwest
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 15:16 BST (UK) »
The marriage between Aran Evans and Martha Williams, I believe it is the daughter Martha Jane (Margaret Elizabeth) Williams, not the mother re-marrying. I have sent for the marriage certificate, but found Aran Evans on the 1881 Census as a coal miner in Ormskirk, single, age 20, but he was born in North Wales. I found a death of Aran Evans, registered in Carmarthen, 1958 age 62, giving his birth around 1896, which makes his a couple of years younger than the daughter.
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Re: Martha Jane Williams/Evans/Richards Haverfordwest
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 20:14 BST (UK) »
yes, the daughter Martha Jane married Aran/Aaron as John's medal is delivered to mother Martha Jane Williams in 1922.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Martha Jane Williams/Evans/Richards Haverfordwest
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 22:22 BST (UK) »
I have hardly used the 1930 register, but would that show where they were living at the time? As he died in 1958 and it was registered in Carmarthen, with family links, I wondered if they moved to Laugharne, so checked church burials but there was nothing for Aran or Martha Jane.
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