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looking for Smales
« on: Wednesday 15 May 19 16:52 BST (UK) »
Hello I am researching the Smale's that came from England. Alfred who cme over through Catholic Immigration in 1901 my great uncle, and my grandfather Henry Smale who came over in 1911. They settled in  Stratford Ontario.

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Re: looking for Smales
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 17:18 BST (UK) »
Greetings, and a warm welcome to Rootschat.

What information are you looking for?  If you are looking for the origins of Alfred and Henry in England, could you tell us roughly when they were born - if you have their parents' names and whereabouts they lived that would be very useful.

(Rootschatters will help in any way we can, but we would need a little detail and would not want to duplicate information which you have already found).

Philip
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Re: looking for Smales
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 18:12 BST (UK) »
Welcome from me too.

Presumably your Henry Smale is the one who (as a bachelor aged "30") married Santina Margaret Brown on 8 September 1914 - they are settled in Stratford in 1921.

His parents according to the marriage record were Henry J Smale and Anne Elizabeth Wilson.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: looking for Smales
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 18:15 BST (UK) »
Slightly different details given on his 1935 death certificate (not uncommon):

Birth: 23 April 1877, London, England
Father: Joseph Henry Smale of London, England
Mother: Elizabeth Wilson of London, England.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: looking for Smales
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 18:24 BST (UK) »
A possibility for his brother - does this fit later records as to his age?

Alfred Smale, mother's maiden name Wilson, Dec qtr 1885 Strand 1b 683.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: looking for Smales
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 18:38 BST (UK) »
There's a family which may be of interest, though details are not perfectly matched.

Harriet Smale and various children of hers spent time in the Strand and Edmonton workhouses in 1888, and she and the youngest child Alfred spent time in the Islington workhouse in 1890.

Children (from workhouse records):

Harriet b 1876-7 - born 3 Nov 1876 and baptised as Harriet Emily Smale, 14 Jan 1877
Henry b 1878-9
Elizabeth b 1879-80 - Elizabeth Smale, mmn Wilson, Mar qtr 1881 St Giles
Ann b 1883-4 - Ann Smale, mmn Wilson, Sep qtr 1883 St Giles
Alfred b 1885-6 - Alfred Smale, mmn Wilson, Dec qtr 1885 Strand

Harriet snr may be the Harriet Wilson who married Henry Smale, Mar qtr 1876 Bethnal Green.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: looking for Smales
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 18:52 BST (UK) »
The 1881 census shows the family as follows:

14 New Compton St, St Giles, Middlesex

Henry Smale Head Mar 39 Coffee tavern keeper born Middlesex St Giles
Harriet do Wife Mar 25 Middlesex St Pancras
Harriet do Daur 4 Middlesex St Giles
Henry do Son 2 Middlesex St Giles
Elizabeth do Daur 3mo Middlesex St Giles
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: looking for Smales
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 May 19 18:57 BST (UK) »
Henry Smale senior is a possible match for a man of his name and age with a lengthy criminal record; at one of his trials at Clerkenwell in 1894 the 53-yr-old was found guilty of larceny, with previous convictions between 1853 and 1889 cited to the court, and sentenced to 12 months' hard labour.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: looking for Smales
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 16 May 19 00:06 BST (UK) »
Having now found an online tree, I suspect everything found on here was already known.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)