Author Topic: William Crumpler & Elizabeth Raiford  (Read 357 times)

Offline TheOnlyRogueAngel

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 38
  • Looking for Raymond Carey Webb
    • View Profile
William Crumpler & Elizabeth Raiford
« on: Saturday 18 May 19 12:05 BST (UK) »
William Crumpler b.1670 Isle of Wight, Virginia, USA married in 1694 to Elizabeth Raiford b.1674 Isle of Wight, Virginia, USA.

Source 1 says William Crumpler was the son of William Crumpler b.1659 in Winterborne Kingston, Blandford, Dorset, England who emigrated to Virginia, USA in 1714 and died in 1750. Considering the birth dates, not possible.

Source 2 says William Crumpler is the son of John Crumpler b.1590 and Julian Squibbe. John Crumpler b.1590 died in Winterborne Kingston, Blandford, Dorset in 1660, so therefore couldn't have a child in 1670.

Source 3 says William Crumpler is the son of John Crumpler b.c.1645 and Christian Joyce, who had eight children, seven of which were born in Almer, Blandford, Dorset. The first was born in Morden, Wareham, Dorset. So it's not likely that they had a child in Virginia, USA.

Does anybody know who the parents of William Crumpler b.1670 Isle of Wight, Virginia, USA are, and has a viable connection to them.??

Thank you in advance.
Cawlbeck, Colbeck, Colbrook, Colebeck, Colebrook, Colebrooke, Coulbeck, Cowlbeck [UK, USA, NZ, Australia, Canada] Hamer [South Yorkshire, UK], Lucas [Cardiff & Gloucestershire, UK] Pennell [UK], Speed [UK], Udall, Udell [UK & USA], Webb [Dorset, UK].

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline oldohiohome

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 737
    • View Profile
Re: William Crumpler & Elizabeth Raiford
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 18 May 19 17:58 BST (UK) »
I haven't a clue, but here's Source 4 :)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/63654412/william-crumpler
which says he is the son of a William Crumpler, b 1640, Dorset, d 1727 Isle of Wight County, Virginia.

At least the numbers work.
Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline TheOnlyRogueAngel

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 38
  • Looking for Raymond Carey Webb
    • View Profile
Re: William Crumpler & Elizabeth Raiford
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 18 May 19 18:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you oldohiohome :)

Source 4 would be great if there was a William Crumpler born in 1640... but there isn't. His 'parents' married in 1639, and their first child, a stillborn daughter, arrived in 1642. Then they had a son John in 1645. Not a William in sight...  :(
Cawlbeck, Colbeck, Colbrook, Colebeck, Colebrook, Colebrooke, Coulbeck, Cowlbeck [UK, USA, NZ, Australia, Canada] Hamer [South Yorkshire, UK], Lucas [Cardiff & Gloucestershire, UK] Pennell [UK], Speed [UK], Udall, Udell [UK & USA], Webb [Dorset, UK].

Offline Genealiza

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,363
    • View Profile
Re: William Crumpler & Elizabeth Raiford
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 18 May 19 19:25 BST (UK) »
Have you looked at this? A possible relative doing research in New Zealand

https://bobvine.nz/crumpler-family-of-dorset-england-a-revision-of-published-family-history-update/
Atkinson, Wearing/Warton Lanc, :Hayhurst,Kendall/Kirkby Lonsdale West,Barrow-in-Furness Lanc

Offline TheOnlyRogueAngel

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 38
  • Looking for Raymond Carey Webb
    • View Profile
Re: William Crumpler & Elizabeth Raiford
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 18 May 19 23:45 BST (UK) »
@Genealiza, I have, thank you. That's where I got source 2 from.

I totally agree that Captain William Crumpler b.1659 is the son of John and Dorothy Crumpler, but he's not the father of William Crumpler b.1670 in Virginia, USA, and so far all the published family trees and online information pertaining to him (William b.1670) doesn't add up.
Cawlbeck, Colbeck, Colbrook, Colebeck, Colebrook, Colebrooke, Coulbeck, Cowlbeck [UK, USA, NZ, Australia, Canada] Hamer [South Yorkshire, UK], Lucas [Cardiff & Gloucestershire, UK] Pennell [UK], Speed [UK], Udall, Udell [UK & USA], Webb [Dorset, UK].

Offline oldohiohome

  • RootsChat Veteran
  • *****
  • Posts: 737
    • View Profile
Re: William Crumpler & Elizabeth Raiford
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 19 May 19 22:47 BST (UK) »
Are you working backward from the William Crumpler that you are sure of? If so, the obvious questions are:
What men named Crumpler were in the area in 1670?

What were William's children's names, and did the people there have a naming pattern?

Did anyone leave him anything in a will?

Was he involved in any land transactions? Did he give up rights to land to someone else?

Did he live next to someone older named Crumpler?

etc.

While gathering the links below, (Googled "Isle of Wight genealogy") I noticed marriage and death records but a lack of mention of birth records. Didn't they keep any in Isle of Wight County?

http://vagenweb.org/isleofwight/

http://www.usgwarchives.net/va/isleofwight.htm

http://genealogytrails.com/vir/isleofwight/

http://www.iwchs.com/ [Isle of Wight County Historical Society]

https://www.genuinesmithfieldva.com/genealogical-research.html

https://www.raogk.org/virginia/isle-wight-county/ [looks like Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness local chapter]

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Isle_of_Wight_County,_Virginia_Genealogy

http://www.linkpendium.com/isle_of_wight-va-genealogy/


And here is something I found on ancestry.com, from a book of abstracts of wills from IOG County.  There were other Crumplers mentioned, but this seemed the best one for now. The book itself is probably available at a real good genealogy society library or one local to Isle of Wight. I think the page number was the transcribers reference to the original will book.


-----------
Phillip Rayford: Leg. son Robert; daughter Mary; daughter Anne; daughter Patience; to son Robert all the cattle at John Person's; daughter Sarah; son William; son Mathew; son Phillip; wife. Son Robert, Ex. Brother-in-law William Kinchen and brother-in-law William Crumpler, trustees. D. July 23, 1724. R. December 28, 1724.
Wit: John Crumpler, William Crumpler, Jr. 

Page 164

--------
From
Wills and Administrations of Isle of Wight County, Virginia, 1647-1800, Book II

By Blanche Adams Chapman, reprinted ... with a consolidated index by Jessica Budick and Anita Comtois,
Originally published Smithfield VA, 1938
reprinted, etc. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc, Baltimore, 1975

-----
Other than that, I am lost or over my head. I waded through some early NE records for my wife's family, but haven't worked with anything in VA at all.
Cambridgeshire: Billups, Cropley; Derbyshire: Jenkinson, Gratton; Co Down: O'Rourke, Rodgers, Cunningham

Offline TheOnlyRogueAngel

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 38
  • Looking for Raymond Carey Webb
    • View Profile
Re: William Crumpler & Elizabeth Raiford
« Reply #6 on: Monday 20 May 19 09:55 BST (UK) »
Thank you @oldohiohome, I am working from the first American Crumpler I am certain of, who was born in 1670 and trying to find a connection to the English Crumpler's I am certain of. There are so many theories as to the American Crumpler's parentage, but none make any sense date- or location-wise. There was an English William Crumpler who died in Isle of Wight, Virginia in 1727, Captain William Crumpler who was born in 1659, but he didn't arrive in America until 1714, and obviously, from birth dates, is not the father of the first American Crumpler, as is stated on many public trees and genealogy blogs. As to the offspring of our first American Crumpler, that is another point of contention, the whole mess of theories and lack of records and guess-timates doesn't even out until the late 1700's, and is a bit of a fog. As yet I've found no wills.

Thank you for the links below, I shall dissect them and try to glean as much information as possible from them and see where I go from there. :)
Cawlbeck, Colbeck, Colbrook, Colebeck, Colebrook, Colebrooke, Coulbeck, Cowlbeck [UK, USA, NZ, Australia, Canada] Hamer [South Yorkshire, UK], Lucas [Cardiff & Gloucestershire, UK] Pennell [UK], Speed [UK], Udall, Udell [UK & USA], Webb [Dorset, UK].