Joseph Septimus Carr - who is he?

[Maiden Stone]

There's a birth registration for Thomas Irvine 1838 in Preston, mother's maiden name Rawsthorne.

Reply #22 So if somebody had looked for Joseph Septimus Swine they would have found him no bother. Just as well he doesn't know he's become swine in brine. 

[Maiden Stone]

Joseph Septimus Irvine
Birth Date:   12 Dec 1813
Baptism Date:   27 Mar 1814
Baptism Place:   Lancaster, Lancashire, England
Father:   Thomas Irvine
Mother:   Mary

It’s really hard to read but I think occupation of Thomas is Spirit Merchant

It was spirit merchant at his 2nd marriage to Ann Bickerstaff 1849 at Bispham.
Edit. Transcription on LANOPC has spirit merchant for Joseph's baptism and Sp...t dealer for Mary 1815.  Thomas 1812 had parents Thomas & Mary but no occupation for father.
I don't see a marriage for parents.

[mckha489]

There's a birth registration for Thomas Irvine 1838 in Preston, mother's maiden name Rawsthorne.

Where do you see that?  Only one I can see is

   IRVINE, THOMAS       - 
GRO Reference: 1838  J Quarter in THE PRESTON UNION  Volume 21  Page 604

[Maiden Stone]

There's a birth registration for Thomas Irvine 1838 in Preston, mother's maiden name Rawsthorne.

Where do you see that?  Only one I can see is

   IRVINE, THOMAS       - 
GRO Reference: 1838  J Quarter in THE PRESTON UNION  Volume 21  Page 604

Must have been Lancashire BMD as that's where I've been looking.

[mckha489]

Another Carr birth

IRVINE, JOHN  CARR     RAWSTRONE 
GRO Reference: 1839  D Quarter in BLACKBURN  Volume 21  Page 7
 

So, if a CARR birth to both wives, the name CARR must come from Joseph’s side.  Yes.
Perhaps Mary wife of Thomas (mother of Joseph) was a CARR?

No, she was Mary TEBAY. Spinster of this parish   Married Thomas Irvine, widower, Liquor Merchant 3 March 1811

Witnesses Agnes TEBAY and James TOPHAM. Everyone signs.

And from earlier

]Baptism 1872 St James the Great, Waterfoot (C. of E.)
Thomas Teaby Irvine child of Thomas Irvine & Kate Marie
Born 5th Nov. 1871. Abode Waterfoot. Occupation painter.

[Maiden Stone]

You beat me to John Carr Irvine. He may have died young as there was John Irvine registered 1843 in Preston, mother's maiden name Rawsthorne. Also Mary 1841, Preston. Mary may be the baptism at St. John's I posted. Birth regs from Lancs. BMD.

[mckha489]

You beat me to John Carr Irvine. He may have died young as there was John Irvine registered 1843 in Preston, mother's maiden name Rawsthorne. Also Mary 1841, Preston. Mary may be the baptism at St. John's I posted. Birth regs from Lancs. BMD.

Yes I think so, as only Thomas with them in the 1841.

[Maiden Stone]

So, if a CARR birth to both wives, the name CARR must come from Joseph’s side.  Yes.
Perhaps Mary wife of Thomas (mother of Joseph) was a CARR?

I agree. Carr was obviously important.
I'm wondering if Joseph Irvine's parents were Scottish. Carr may have been Kerr. There's an Irvine Street in Preston with an Irvine family living in it at one time. I researched Scottish population in mid 19thC Preston in an attempt to find origin of my Scottish ancestor. Some Preston Scots spent time in Cumberland before moving to Lancaster or Preston.

[mckha489]

Yes, I had been thinking about KERR

Thomas Irvine seems to have been in Lancaster at least by 1793, when he I think, married Jenny WARBRICK
He was a Cooper then but that seems a logical step towards Liquor Merchant to me

A probable brother (relative anyway) John who is Bondsman on marriage license