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Jarvie Andrew and Jarvie George...PUZZLE are they related.
« on: Wednesday 22 May 19 08:00 BST (UK) »
George JARVIE born 1846 Kilsyth, Scotland married Ann MARSHALL in Kilsyth 1872
Parents John JARVIE and Marion WILSON appears this couple from England?

Andrew JARVIE born 1838 Kilsyth, Scotland M Janet FORRESTER in Kilsyth 1858
Parents James JARVIE and Janet PROVAN this couple in Kilsyth

BOTH men came to New Zealand with their wives and children.
 
BOTH men were killed in the Kaitangata Mine Disaster 1879 along with 37 others

Is it coincidence or can anyone see a family connection

All help thankfully received. Glenda
 

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Re: Jarvie Andrew and Jarvie George...PUZZLE are they related.
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 22 May 19 09:02 BST (UK) »
George JARVIE born 1846 Kilsyth, Scotland married Ann MARSHALL in Kilsyth 1872
Parents John JARVIE and Marion WILSON appears this couple from England?
On George's marriage certificate, does it say that John was deceased? If not, get John's death certificate and see who his parents were.

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Andrew JARVIE born 1838 Kilsyth, Scotland M Janet FORRESTER in Kilsyth 1858
Parents James JARVIE and Janet PROVAN this couple in Kilsyth
On Andrew's marriage certificate, does it say that James was deceased? If not, get James' death certificate and see who his parents were.
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Re: Jarvie Andrew and Jarvie George...PUZZLE are they related.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 22 May 19 09:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Glenda.

You've put your query on the Ayrshire board but Kilsyth is Stirlingshire  :) - maybe get more local help if your post is transferred over to Stirlingshire board.

Where did you get the information that George Jarvie's parents were from England?
John H Jarvie and Marion Jarvie are recorded on the 1851 Census at Kilsyth with their family , including a 5 year old George , and their place of birth is given as Kilsyth.

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Re: Jarvie Andrew and Jarvie George...PUZZLE are they related.
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 22 May 19 10:23 BST (UK) »
Thanks Loobe, brain in in Kilsyth, fingers in Ayrshire. This isn't mine, helping a friend I think I saw it on a census said John ENGLAND. Will have to check it out. Oh in a note on another page looks like it was John and Marions marriage and I have seen Born 1815 England. Will see if I can find the search. Glenda

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Re: Jarvie Andrew and Jarvie George...PUZZLE are they related.
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 22 May 19 11:09 BST (UK) »
Although John or John H Jarvis on Census says he is born Kilysth on his Son Robert Adams Bapt he is down as John Hall Jarvie.

There is this Bapt in England ;

Name: John Hall Jarvis
Birth Date:   9 Jan 1813
Baptism Date:   24 Jan 1813
Baptism Place:   Lee Croft Independent,Sheffield,York,England
Father:   Joseph Jarvis
Mother:   Jennet

So that is where the born iin England come from I would think.
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Re: Jarvie Andrew and Jarvie George...PUZZLE are they related.
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 22 May 19 11:50 BST (UK) »
Hi THANKS! yes he is John and sometimes John Hall Jarvie. I think I saw on John Jarvie's marriage to Marion Wilson where born England 1815.. so that ties in. Your help is appreciated I think I need to do a spreadsheet now as the names are all over the place. Glenda

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« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 22 May 19 12:24 BST (UK) »
Although John or John H Jarvis on Census says he is born Kilysth on his Son Robert Adams Bapt he is down as John Hall Jarvie.

There is this Bapt in England ;

Name: John Hall Jarvis
Birth Date:   9 Jan 1813
Baptism Date:   24 Jan 1813
Baptism Place:   Lee Croft Independent,Sheffield,York,England
Father:   Joseph Jarvis
Mother:   Jennet

So that is where the born iin England come from I would think.

That's interesting - John Hall Jarvie and Marion Jarvie call their first son Joseph (born circa 1835/6).
And their first daughter is Janet. 
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« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 22 May 19 12:34 BST (UK) »
Robert Hall Jarvie is born 30th September 1855 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQT9-LJ4

1855 is the year Statutory Birth Registration came into being. Birth certificates for this year recorded more information than the years to follow. Parents of the baby were asked to give their place of birth, too.
Have you looked at the birth registration for Robert Hall Jarvie on Scotlands People website? Might be worth it to see what place of birth John Hall Jarvie gave.

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Re: Jarvie Andrew and Jarvie George...PUZZLE are they related.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 May 19 09:36 BST (UK) »
I have been spending lots today $$$ and time and at last getting somewhere... However the Robert I have is Robert Adam JARVIE not Robert Hall JARVIE on the Baptisim and in 1861 census. I've found back to 1813, and the parents marriage plus lots of syblings. So very happy but of course the whole thing really was to try and find if Andrew and George both killed in the Kaitangata Mine Disaster of 1879 were related. Thanksfor the help.....