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Walter CHILDS b London 1838
« on: Tuesday 28 May 19 21:37 BST (UK) »
Walter has been located in both the 1841 and 1851 census,
1841  St Mary Islington West, Middlesex
HO107/665; Book: 8/44 p 35
Ossulstone
Wm Childs  35  Shopkeeper
Frances Childs  35
Frances Childs  4
Walter Childs  3
Willm Childs  1

1851 HO107/1792/257 p 9
Bury St Edmunds Suffolk
William Chille  48
Frances Chille  48
Frances E Chille  14
Walter Chille  13 Scholar
William Chille  11
Emily Childs  6

Walter Childs  b 22 Mar 1838 volunteered for Royal Navy 28 June 1854
b Islington, London Service Number: 13976
Reference: ADM 139/140/13976
This document does not appear to have much more information about his service.
 
A copy of a will by Walter has been found amongst some family history documents of his brothers family. The will was signed in Bury St Edmunds 7th March 1879. His brother William and his sister Emily's husband  are the executors.

In the will he declares himself as being Walter CHILDS from Wellington New Zealand , mariner.
He mentions his shares in a silver mine Mount Rangitoto, Westland and the shares being in the hands of Messrs Krull and company.

Are there any records from New Zealand filling in some gaps.

I have not yet identified him on other census entries in England .

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Re: Walter CHILDS b London 1838
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 28 May 19 22:07 BST (UK) »
Thank you for that background information.
I found an article about the Silver mine, and it seems it wasn't such a profitable seam as expected, well there's a surprise. I wonder if they managed to sell his shares? Not sure when he died yet.

From the University of Canterbury Christchurch
Gold- and silver-bearing veins located in Mine Creek, Mount Rangitoto and Cedar Creek, Mount Greenland have been worked sporadically since 1875, for small returns. The Mine Creek workings (1875 - 1904) yielded unknown but presumably small quantities of silver, and possibly gold, before operations ceased due primarily to poor recovery of the lower than expected silver grades encountered. The Cedar Creek workings yielded some 112kg (3,969oz) of gold from mineralised quartz veins, worked intermittently between 1885 and 1941, before operations finally ceased due to the poor financial position of the last company to work the ground, Mount Greenland Gold Limited, and their purchasing of an over-estimated ore reserve.

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Re: Walter CHILDS b London 1838
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 28 May 19 22:19 BST (UK) »
Sister Emily seeking him in 1891. Was in Auckland in 1886.......

[scroll down to near foot of page]

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZMAIL18910227.2.95?query=walter%20childs&phrase=2&page=3&snippet=true


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Walter CHILDS b London 1838
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 29 May 19 00:01 BST (UK) »
If he died in England, this is as close as I can get to a death registration.......

Deaths Mar 1902 
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Childs    Walter    67    Edmonton  3a   270


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Walter CHILDS b London 1838
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 29 May 19 00:17 BST (UK) »
"A copy of a will by Walter has been found amongst some family history documents of his brothers family. The will was signed in Bury St Edmunds 7th March 1879. His brother William and his sister Emily's husband  are the executors."

Have you looked for evidence that the will was proven?

What was the name of Emily's husband?


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.

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Re: Walter CHILDS b London 1838
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 29 May 19 02:38 BST (UK) »
Might this fit?

Electoral Roll records
Walter Childs  1890   Waitemata   Auckland   
Walter Childs  1900   Thames   Waikato

This from Thames District Council cemetery database:
Cemetery Plot - Full Details
Unique ID   7PUBL-PLOT-0041
Cemetery Name   Tararu
Cemetery ID   7
Area Code   PUBL
Sub Area Code   PLOT
Plot Number   0041
Plot Status   Used
Capacity   0
Surname   CHILDE
Forenames   Walter
Full Name   CHILDE, Walter
Gender   Male
Age   61
Age Unit   Years
Date Of Birth   
Date Of Death   
Date Of Burial   17/06/1901
...out of, through, and back from New Zealand to the ends of the Earth

FRYER - MITCHELL - DUKE - WHYTE - McDONALD - TAYLOR - CARPENTER - HARRIS - WILLIAMS - CUNNINGHAME - LUCAS - WHITE - BOTHAM - HOLDAWAY - EYLES - OLSEN - CHASE - TRAILL - BAGGS - HASKINS - EDWARDS - CHING - SHIELDS - POLLARD - HOGAN - SMITH - STANLEY - HALL - ROBERTS - LARKHAM

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Re: Walter CHILDS b London 1838
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 29 May 19 06:16 BST (UK) »
The 1890 location in Auckland obviously a good match, and the 1901 death quite likely.
Emilyís husband was Thomas WILKIN.
I suspect the will had been posted to England, it was signed by a. James WEAVERS who was his brother Williamís  father in law or could be his brother in law, and a William LONG in Bury St Edmunds. He ties up with being a solicitors clerk in the 1881 census in Bury St Edmunds
This document does imply that the will should have been signed by The two executors, William CHILDS and Emily WILKIN nee CHILDS, there was another sibling alive when he joined the RN, but it looks as if she might have died in 1872, but I would have to re-check that.
Not sure about the will being proven.
This document does not particularly look like a legally binding document, but it does present a lot of facts, that seem to stack up.
If he sent this document to them in 1879, he would have been 41, presumably he had contacted them again in 1886.

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Re: Walter CHILDS b London 1838
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 29 May 19 07:31 BST (UK) »
Death registration:

1901/2458   Childe   Walter   61Y

You could purchase a printout** of the above registration but bear in mind the information provided is only as accurate as the knowledge of the person providing it.

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search

Data collected:

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/dataCollected/death

**A printout is cheaper and may contain more information than a certificate. Can also be e-mailed to the purchaser.

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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.