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Travelling Stowman Carmarthenshire
« on: Friday 31 May 19 20:17 BST (UK) »
I found a 1911 census record linked to my family, where the head was a Travelling Stowman, with his son assisting in the business. Does anyone know what a Stowman is? I have only seen a transcription and need to look at the original, but wonder if it could be a typo and he was a Travelling Showman.

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Re: Travelling Stowman Carmarthenshire
« Reply #1 on: Friday 31 May 19 21:52 BST (UK) »
Personally I would say a typo and it should read showman but a look at the original is a must
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Re: Travelling Stowman Carmarthenshire
« Reply #2 on: Friday 31 May 19 22:19 BST (UK) »
Having posted, I searched here for Stowman and seveal had concluded their finding was a typo and should be Storeman. But I cannot see there being a Travelling Storeman. Busy this weekend, but I will get to the library early next week and check the original.

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Re: Travelling Stowman Carmarthenshire
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 June 19 12:56 BST (UK) »
Having looked at the original 1911 Census, it is definitely ‘Travelling Showman’, own account. The most indistinct part is the word Travelling, so do not understand why it was transcribed as Stowman. Wife: Catherine Anne (transcribed Cathorine), 38, born Swansea; daughter Matilda, 16, born Pontadulais; sons Aaron, 14, born Swansea, and John 13 born Pontypridd.

It also provided further information than available on the free transcription. They had been married 19 years, with four children in total, all alive, but only three living with them. All of those were assisting in the business. The parents spoke both, with the children only speaking English.

That explains why they were living in the Milford Arms Yard near St Clears, Carmarthenshire, my assumption being their home was mobile and by 1911, the eldest had left them. From there, it seems they remained in the area. There is a death and burial recorded for Catherine Anne Evans, 13 Nov 1916, age 46, at Pembrey, Carmarthenshire, with birth estimated as 1870. That ties in with other information.

I believe he remarried the following year, but to be certain, that is a discussion for the Pembrokeshire/Carmarthenshire boards.

While on the board for Travelling People, is there any way of finding the family in 1901? In 1911, having been married 19 years, they would be together and with all four children. I searched within Wales and nothing. Also, is it possible to find out what he did as a Travelling Showman? From the records, it would seem he remained in Wales, from Carmarthenshire to the Valleys.


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Re: Travelling Stowman Carmarthenshire
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 June 19 14:35 BST (UK) »
Have you looked at this one 1901 Favi Field Aberavon Glamorgan Wales

Daniel Evans age  30 born about 1871 Landover ? Carmartenshire ..travelling showman
Catherine Evans age 28 born about 1873 Swansea
Tilly Evans age 7 born about 1894 transcribed as  Porty Dulais Glamorgan
Evan Evans age 5 born about 1896 Swansea
Dan Evans age  born about 1898 Pontypridd Glamorgan
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Re: Travelling Stowman Carmarthenshire
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 June 19 15:41 BST (UK) »
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 SOUL;-Gloucestershire.
 SANSUM;-Berkshire-Wiltshire
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 DOWDESWELL;-Wiltshire,Gloucestershire
 JORDAN;- Berkshire.
 COX;- Berkshire.
 GOUDY;- Suffolk.
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 MORGAN;-Blaenavon-Abersychan
 FISHER;- Berkshire.
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Re: Travelling Stowman Carmarthenshire
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 June 19 16:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks both, They contan the same record which is a good fit.
In the 1911, Daniel was born in Llanneda which could be a few places in West Wales, it could also be Llandovery. I need to see the original again, which I will do on Monday.
Tilly is Matilda
Evan could easily be Aaron born Swansea
But I am stuck with a Dan and no mention of John Evans who would be 3. Both born in Pontypridd.
I am not aware John had any other name, but it is probably the same person.
In 1901, there must be four children, though one could be living elsewhere. I assumed in 1911, it must be the eldest who had flown the nest.

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Re: Travelling Stowman Carmarthenshire
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 June 19 18:36 BST (UK) »
If you look at the original census In 1911 it looks like Daniel has been crossed out and John added

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Re: Travelling Stowman Carmarthenshire
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 01 June 19 19:36 BST (UK) »
I will look again, it is something I must have missed this morning.
There is no doubt what you provided is the right family.
Dan could easily be mistaken for John when spoken. I have found nothing to suggest their names contained both Daniel and John, but such corrections lead me to think they were.

Aaron/Evan Evans married Martha Jane Williams, the sister of my grandfather
I believe Daniel his father married Martha Jane Williams her mother the year before them.
Catherine Anne Evans and Thomas Williams having died a few years earlier.

At present and on a different page, I would like to know if there is a link to Aran Evans of Llandeilo in the 1939 Register. He is married to a Catherine. I cannot find any record of a death for Martha Jane or a second marriage for Aran/Aaron to Catherine John, but early days. That search I will start next week. He is the right age and Fish Merchant fits with the family he married. Llandeilo also fits when his father was born in Llandovery. There are possibles that make me question.