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Flax Industry in Cockermouth, Cumberland
« on: Saturday 01 June 19 03:38 BST (UK) »
Hello everyone,

I come to the font again in the hope that someone can decipher the occupation of a gentleman in 1842 in Cockermouth, Cumberland. I think the first word is Flax....then it looks like dref something. A google search didn't help me much.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance

Kevin

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Re: Flax Industry in Cockermouth, Cumberland
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 June 19 03:41 BST (UK) »
Flax dresser

Wiki describes it as "a worker who separated the coarse part of flax or hemp with a hackle"

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Re: Flax Industry in Cockermouth, Cumberland
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 June 19 03:49 BST (UK) »
In case this is the confusion, the f is really a "long s".  Take a peek here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_s

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Re: Flax Industry in Cockermouth, Cumberland
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 June 19 05:42 BST (UK) »
I'd agree with 'Flax dresser' - with a pretty fancy capital F for Flax, and as bbart says, the classic long 's' in the middle of 'Dresser'.
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Re: Flax Industry in Cockermouth, Cumberland
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 June 19 07:23 BST (UK) »
 Cumberland. like Lanarkshire & Lancashire, was involved in linen production but changed over to cotton. The poet Burns was sent by his father to Irvine to learn the flax-dressing but fortunately the heckling-shed burned down, to the poets delight, & he returned home.  ;D
The scutching & heckling of flax were very unhealthy processes!

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Re: Flax Industry in Cockermouth, Cumberland
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 June 19 08:41 BST (UK) »
Cumberland. like Lanarkshire & Lancashire, was involved in linen production but changed over to cotton. The poet Burns was sent by his father to Irvine to learn the flax-dressing but fortunately the heckling-shed burned down, to the poets delight, & he returned home.  ;D
The scutching & heckling of flax were very unhealthy processes!

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Is that where we get 'heckle' - as in heckle a speaker or a politician from Skoosh?
Seems similar to 'tease', which was also something to do with fibres - possibly tease wool fibres, but also make fun of somebody?
Etymology?
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: Flax Industry in Cockermouth, Cumberland
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 June 19 09:21 BST (UK) »

Is that where we get 'heckle' - as in heckle a speaker or a politician from Skoosh?
Seems similar to 'tease', which was also something to do with fibres - possibly tease wool fibres, but also make fun of somebody?
Etymology?

Probably, but with another possible derivation.

heckle (v.)
early 14c., "to comb (flax or hemp) with a heckle;" from heckle (n.) or from related Middle Dutch hekelen. Figurative meaning "to question severely in a bid to uncover weakness" is from late 18c. "Long applied in Scotland to the public questioning of parliamentary candidates" [OED]. Presumably from a metaphor of rough treatment, but also compare hatchel "to harass" (1800), which may be a variant of hazel, the name of the plant that furnished switches for whippings. Related: Heckled; heckling.
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Re: Flax Industry in Cockermouth, Cumberland
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 June 19 09:22 BST (UK) »
goldie, a wee goldie of "Red Hackle!" was the very thing!  ;D

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Re: Flax Industry in Cockermouth, Cumberland
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 01 June 19 14:24 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone,

Many thanks for the answer and especially for the back fill on the job. Much appreciated.

Kevin
Ferguson, Stockton-on-Tees
Hollinshead, Stafford/Guisborough
Pratt, Berwick/Newcastle-upon-Tyne
McDonald, Teesdale
Charlton, Hexham
Carlyle, Hexham/Annan Dumfries