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Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
« Reply #27 on: Friday 07 June 19 00:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Dianna,
Have you looked into getting a copy of the naturalization of Frederik Hallgren in the National Australian Archives?
If it's your man, it should say when he came to Australia. The naturalization certificate for my own great grandfather did, as well as where in Sweden he came from.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Carrington, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Bentham, Holloway, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Yorks, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
« Reply #28 on: Friday 07 June 19 10:13 BST (UK) »

Birth record:-1869-11-19  KARL FREDRIK born (Söderhamn), County of Gävleborg  Illegitimate son of BRITA CATHRINA HALLGREN born 1846-08-20, came from Hudiksvall 1867, died 1869-11-27 8 day’s after giving birth.

The birth book for Soderhamn says that the mother wishes to be anonymous    BUT someone has added: Mother Brita Katarina Hallgren, 23 years old, carpenters daughter from Kyrkbyn in Jarvso parish Father: Shop keeper G F Thorslund, Stockholm.  Address: Regeringsgatan 94 A, The Spice shop.  Brita’s brother Bror Olof Hallgren was one of the witness’s to the baptism.  Karl Frederik was born at the midwife, Mrs Noren’s home.


Here is the record:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nw9/

The "someone" was the minister. Unusual that the mother wanted to be unknown. I haven't seen this before. I do know that back then the father and mother would be fined or punished for having illegitimate children so perhaps this is why they were recorded.
Here is an explanation:
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Sweden_Finding_an_Unknown_Father_in_Swedish_Records


Ian


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Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
« Reply #29 on: Friday 07 June 19 10:17 BST (UK) »

In regard to the below, which has just been sent to me!!  Is it possible to find the actual image of this census as KARL FREDERIK is referred to as THORSLUND and that is his fathers name.

In next census he is living with in Stockholm with Olof and Fredrika

Källa: Hedvig Eleonora AIa:72 (1873-1874) Bild 325
Samma hushåll
Olof Nilsson 18450820   
Fredrika Charlotta 18430209   
Carl Fredrik Thorslund 18691119


I don't have access to this record as it is only on ArkivDigital: https://www.arkivdigital.se/sources/1888
(Pity really. My subscription ended last week).

Ian


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Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
« Reply #30 on: Friday 07 June 19 10:23 BST (UK) »

1885-1886 he is in the book of missing persons in Klara parish.
 

Do you have this record by any chance?


Are you getting help from someone with a subscription on ArkivDigital?
If so I would recommend you ask for this record.

Ian


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Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
« Reply #31 on: Friday 07 June 19 10:34 BST (UK) »
The image you sent says "utfl 22/2 1886"....... moved out 22/2 1886.
The other text is nothing to do with him.

Religion in Sweden:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Sweden


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Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
« Reply #32 on: Friday 07 June 19 13:13 BST (UK) »

I would imagine if he were "working" on a/the ship there would be a payroll/manifest or something but I have not been able to find any information on that at all. 


To look through the seamen muster rolls you'll need to look on ArkivDigital.
Here is the link to the Stockholm Seamen Institute records: https://www.arkivdigital.se/sources/4938


Ian


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Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
« Reply #33 on: Monday 10 June 19 22:13 BST (UK) »
Hi Ian thanks for your reply and links, very informative and helpful.  The record for the "Thorslund" mention has been sent to me through Ancestry (message board).  This person has an ArkivDigital and SVAR (did I spell that correct).  I have not asked yet for the record with Karl missing in 1885-1886 in Klara.  Way back in 2009 when I started this research someone was using CD'S with the records on them. 

I did note something interesting from your link re "Fathers" of illegitimate children and I would like to follow up on that!!!

 "It was not uncommon for an illegitimate son to receive the same first name as his father."

Now from what you have sent me it seems that this MR. THORSSLUND'S initials are C.F.  Not "G" as I had initially thought.  Will be interesting to find him in some records anyway your input and help has been wonderful and I thank you very much.  Will follow up also on Brita Cattarina's illegitimate status.  Hopefully I am on the right track with Karl/Carl Frederik HALLGREN (aka CHARLES F HALLGREN).  Thanks so much.  Kindest regards Dianna

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Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
« Reply #34 on: Monday 10 June 19 23:24 BST (UK) »
Hi

http://sok.stadsarkivet.stockholm.se/Rotemannen2012/SearchResult.aspx.

I had a go at trying to find C.F. THORSLUND/THORSSLUND on the above!!!  Nothing came up BUT maybe not sure if I looked properly!! Regards Dianna

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Re: KARL FREDERIK HALLGREN SWEDEN
« Reply #35 on: Monday 10 June 19 23:55 BST (UK) »
Here he is in Ytterenhörna Parish.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nwt/


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