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Offline Althea7

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Marine Stores and Brokers in Manchester.
« on: Tuesday 04 June 19 15:38 BST (UK) »
I wasn't sure where to post this question.  I posted it in the occupations thread, but people with local knowledge of Manchester might have more ideas.

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=447336.9

I am trying to find out if there is any information about the shops that Marine Store Keepers had?

My great, great grandfather Thomas Greenwood is described as a Marine Store Keeper on various records.

He was baptised on 20th July 1817 in Hebden Bridge, Heptonstall St Thomas, and came to Manchester with his parents and siblings between about 1827 and 1830, and is on the 1841 census with his parents and siblings in Silk Street, Manchester, factory worker.  His marriage on 29th June 1846 at Manchester Cathedral to Bridget Ward, gives his residence as 30 Angel Street, Manchester, and his job as Marine Store Keeper.  Bridget's father is described on the marriage record as James Ward, labourer, born Ireland.

On the 1846 birth certificate of his son, my great grandfather Hiram Greenwood, born 20th September 1846, at Henry Street, Ancoats, Manchester (though other records say Hiram was born in Hulme, and Henry Street was the address where Thomas' father Henry Greenwood died in March 1847), Thomas' job is given as Waste Dealer.

On the 1848 birth certificate of his younger son James Henry Greenwood, on 7th January 1848 at Cellar, 48 Medlock Street, Hulme, Thomas is described as a Marine Store Keeper.

On the 1851 census, living at 3, Clegg Court, Hulme, Thomas is described as a Broker.  Age 32, with wife Bridget 28, sons Hiram 4, and James 3, and Bridget's younger siblings, Betsy and John Ward.

On the 1852 Whellan and Co's Directory of Manchester, Thomas Greenwood is described as a Pawnbroker, at 66 Carruthers Street.  Not sure this is him, could be.

On the 1855 Slaters Directory of Manchester, Thomas Greenwood, Marine Store Keeper, River Street. This is just round the corner from Medlock Street where his younger son was born.  I feel fairly certain this is him.  This reference particularly I would like to find out where his shop was and if I can identify the premises on a map?

Thomas's whole family is absent from the 1861 census, though son Hiram turns up on the 1871 census in Salford with Irish born wife Mary Ann (Roche) and two infant daughters.  1867 death of Bridget on 30th December at 1 Court, Bennett Street, now Bendix Street, Ancoats, wife of Thomas Greenwood, porter, Chronic Bronchitis, age 49.  1871 lodger age 52, born Hepdon (sic) Bridge, Card Dealer, Market Street, with wife Anne age 40.

1873 Whitesmith, 23 Long Millgate, UK City and County Directories.

1873 death 12th March at 63 Long Millgate, age 56, Card Picker, Died of Cardiac Bronchitis Anasarca, Informant Ann Greenwood.

15th March 1873 burial, Philips Park cemetery.

I would also like to see if there is a link with his father in law, James Ward?

James Ward was mentioned on the marriage record of Thomas Greenwood and Bridget Ward in 1846, Manchester, labourer, born Ireland.

1841 census, has a James Ward age 40, Broker, born Ireland, residence Medlock Street, Hulme, with others including Anne age 15 and head Hector Chalmers, age 40, Agent, born Ireland.  James Ward's grandson James Henry Greenwood was born at Cellar, 48 Medlock Street, Hulme, in January 1848 and Thomas Greenwood had a Marine Store just round the corner in River Street in 1855.

The 1861 census in Cross Street, Collegiate, Manchester,  has James Ward head age 65 shoemaker born County Meath, Ireland with wife Ann 60 shoe seller born County Meath Ireland and daughter Ann 35 shoe maker unmarried born County Meath Ireland.

I am wondering if the Ann Greenwood living with Thomas Greenwood on the 1871 census, and the Informant at his death, was the younger sister of Thomas' first wife Bridget Ward?  I can't find a marriage for them, but Bridget died on 30th December 1867.

I would love to find out if James Ward was in the same business as Thomas Greenwood.  Their families seem close, Bridget's younger siblings, Betsy and John Ward,  were living with Thomas and family on the 1851 census, and it could be Ann Ward who married Thomas after his wife and her older sister Bridget died.

Where would I find out more about the physical location of Marine Stores in Hulme, Manchester and more about their owners?  And Thomas is alternatively described as a Broker, was this just another term for a Marine Store Keeper?  James Ward is also described on the 1841 census as a Broker, living with another Irish born Broker as head of house.

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Re: Marine Stores and Brokers in Manchester.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 June 19 15:52 BST (UK) »
Duplicate posts  are not a good idea, as it can lead to people spending their time looking up things, not knowing that they have already been looked up.

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Re: Marine Stores and Brokers in Manchester.
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 June 19 15:57 BST (UK) »
Duplicate posts  are not a good idea, as it can lead to people spending their time looking up things, not knowing that they have already been looked up.

Stan

Ok, I think it is better on this forum as people with local knowledge more likely to know where to find the information.


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Re: Marine Stores and Brokers in Manchester.
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 June 19 16:02 BST (UK) »
The pawnbroker is at 66 Carruthers Street in the 1851 census. Age 25, wife Emma, daughters Esther and Elizabeth. So not your man.
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Re: Marine Stores and Brokers in Manchester.
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 June 19 16:15 BST (UK) »
The pawnbroker is at 66 Carruthers Street in the 1851 census. Age 25, wife Emma, daughters Esther and Elizabeth. So not your man.

Thanks.  It didn't feel like the same person.  Although my great great grandfather is listed as a Broker on some records, and James Ward and his associates are also listed as Brokers, a Pawnbroker seems something very different.