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Help wanted to find Annie Hughes, born around 1852, in Wales!
« on: Tuesday 04 June 19 20:57 BST (UK) »
Hi, iím struggling find Annie, and her parents Richard and Ann Hughes, and would love some help if anyone is up for a hunt.

What i know:

Annie married Humphrey Price Jones in the register office in Warrington on 31 Jan 1874, father listed as Richard Hughes, joiner. She was said to be 22 and a spinster.

Their son David Jones was born in Earlestown, Lancashire, on 22 May 1874. In 1881 they, plus another son Humphrey born in Caernarfon (probably March quarter 1879), were in Newton in Makerfield, Lancashire.  RG11/3786/41 Page: 14. Annie was aged 29 (1852), born Wales(!). Humphrey was born in Llanfair PG, though his younger siblings were born in Caernarfonshire.

A diary belonging to Annieís son David says she was born on 30 May 1849, but i have nothing to prove this. Annie died in Patagonia, Argentina, on 28 Jan 1941, her age given as 79, but this is clearly wrong given her marriage in 1874. Her death certificate states her parents were Richard and Ann Hughes.

But, I canít find a census record for a Richard Hughes, joiner, with - or without - wife Ann, and daughter Ann(ie), in 1851, 1861 or 1871 nor can i find a logical marriage for Richard and Ann. Humphreyís father David was noted as deceased on their marriage certificate whereas Richard wasnít, so iím assuming he was still alive.

I have tried to restrict my searches to north west Wales and Lancashire given their marriage, the childrenís births and the 1881 census (they were in Patagonia by 1885 so sadly no further help) and appreciate that as she only said ĎWalesí Annie may not have known her birthplace and maybe her parents had died, but if anyone fancies a little look - given the few details we have -  that would be great.

Not my own tree but helping a young man in Patagonia. We have had a lot of success over the last 8 months, not only going backwards but also now in contact with a number of his previously unknown 2nd and 3rd cousins in Canada, several US states, England, Wales and Patagonia.

Thanks for reading, Deirdre
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Help wanted to find Annie Hughes, born around 1852, in Wales!
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 04 June 19 22:30 BST (UK) »
Did Richard ever exist or was she illegit and made up a fathers name when she married to appear "respectable"

Re birthdate.  She should have been 89 in 1941 - not 79. 

When was Humphrey born?  Did she knock a few years off when they married because he was a bit younger than her?

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Re: Help wanted to find Annie Hughes, born around 1852, in Wales!
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 04 June 19 22:41 BST (UK) »
Did Richard ever exist or was she illegit and made up a fathers name when she married to appear "respectable"

Re birthdate.  She should have been 89 in 1941 - not 79. 

When was Humphrey born?  Did she knock a few years off when they married because he was a bit younger than her?

Thanks Carole, i have no idea about her father, but he was named as Richard on her marriage certificate and her death certificate, and she did have a son called Richard too.

I know she was likely nearer 89 when she died, but it was stated as 79 on the death certificate.

Humphrey was born in 1853.
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....


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Re: Help wanted to find Annie Hughes, born around 1852, in Wales!
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 04 June 19 22:47 BST (UK) »
Who were the witnesses to the 1874 marriage, and where were the parties residing?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Help wanted to find Annie Hughes, born around 1852, in Wales!
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 June 19 22:52 BST (UK) »
Who were the witnesses to the 1874 marriage, and where were the parties residing?

Witnesses were Richard Roberts and Hannah Thomas (no idea who they are sorry).

Humphrey (a striker) and Annie were living at separate addresses in Earlestown.

Added: Humphrey was still living at home in Caernarvonshire in 1871. Not found anything positive for Annie in 1871 yet though she could be a servant somewhere. 
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Help wanted to find Annie Hughes, born around 1852, in Wales!
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 01:00 BST (UK) »
Have a look at the 1851 entry for Richard Hughes b 1804 Cardiganshire living in Breconshire.  Wife Elizabeth b 1822 Pembrokeshire. 

Richard is a journeyman carpenter and they have a 10mth old daughter Ann
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Re: Help wanted to find Annie Hughes, born around 1852, in Wales!
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 07:45 BST (UK) »
Thanks Carole, will have a look and try and follow them through. 
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Help wanted to find Annie Hughes, born around 1852, in Wales!
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 09:42 BST (UK) »
Thanks Carole, does look promising though the wife is Elizabeth not Ann, and the daughter is Ann not Annie which she was continually after her marriage (as Annie). The family is still in Breconshire in 1861 and 1871 but not yet found them in 1881.

On her marriage Annie was living in Houghton St in Earlestown, Newton in Makerfield, and first son David was born at Houghton St in 1874 (birth certificate received today). Have checked Houghton St in 1871 and canít see Annie there then. Will carry on looking for the Hughes family in 1881 in case that Ann is still with them, and at Houghton St in 1881 too (though Ďmyí family were in Patagonia then).

Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....

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Re: Help wanted to find Annie Hughes, born around 1852, in Wales!
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 12:34 BST (UK) »
Sadly not the Annie Iím looking for. Have found her in 1881 still with her father Richard (aged 86, carpenter unemployed!), and now married with children. 

The search continues  :)
CARDIFF:Lord,Griffiths,Barry,Cope,Mahoney ~ PEMBROKESHIRE:Griffiths,Rees,Owen,Thomas ~ ESSEX:Lord,Foreman,Hatch ~ SOMERSET:Lord,Cox,Hockey,Linham,Bryant ~ STAFFORDSHIRE:Cope,Elks,Hackney,Gallimore,Davenport ~ SUFFOLK:Lord,Lockwood,Hatch,Rix,Foreman ~ IRELAND:Barry,Meany,Cummins,Grogan ~
PONTYPRIDD:Leigh,Brooks,Adams,Davies,Thomas ~ KENT:Leigh ~ CHESHIRE:Adams,Tudor,Illidge ~ DENBIGHSHIRE:Edwards,Bolas ~BRECON:Leigh,Thomas,Davies ~SOMERSET:Adams,Keitch,Bridge ~ABERGAVENNY:Minton ~ MERTHYR:.....