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Offline Vasquez109

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Francis Walters confusion
« on: Wednesday 05 June 19 11:40 BST (UK) »
Morning everyone.

Ive been struggling for a week or so now trying to pin point a Francis Walters in the 1841/51 census. Can any kind person help me try to find him please? Here is what ive found already....

1901 census - 13, Wind Street, Ferndale

Francis is aged 62 with his wife Gweny (born Cardiff) and 2 children Mary Jane and Jenkin. He states born Llangenny, Monmouthshire.

1891 census - 13, Wind Street, Ferndale

States he is 46 and just of Monmouthshire. With wife Gwen (born Glamorganshire) and children Griffith, Mary J and Jenkin.

Cant find them in 1881, but in 1871 at 7, Double Row, Hafod Ddriniog, Llanwonno:

States he is 33 and from Bedwellty, Monmouthshire with his wife Gwenllian who is from Laverton, Glamorgan. Son William is 4 and they have a lodger Richard Jones, 35 from Brecon.

Ive got the marriage cert which shows them married on July 8th 1866 at the parish church in Llanwonno.

Francis is 27 living in Blaenllechau, Ferndale whose father is stated as William Walters, a labourer.
Gwenllian is 21 also living in Blaenllechau whose father is Griffith Thomas, a haulier.

I cannot find Francis in 1861 or 1851, but a possible for 1841....

Gaervawr, Llangwm Ucha, Chepstow, Monmouthshire.

William Walters, 45, Monmouthshire.
Ann Walters, 30, Mon
Francis Walters, 5 , Mon
Ann Walters, 3, Mon
Mary Walters, 1, Mon

Not sure if this is the right family in 1841. Has anyone else got a better idea as im completely baffled.

There is a Francis Walters buried at Llanwonno 26th Feb 1920 aged 83. This is all I can find.

Thank you,
David.

Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Francis Walters confusion
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 13:01 BST (UK) »
1851- looks likely same family as your 1841, possible remarriage of father after 1841 or name change of mother?

Census transcript info written as seen, including placename spelling errors.

William Waters   Head   Male   63   Lanveangel, Monmouthshire
Jane Waters   Wife   Female   41   Langwm Ucha, Monmouthshire
Frances Waters   Son   Male   15   Langwm Ucha, Monmouthshire
Ann Waters   Daughter   Female   13   Langwm Ucha, Monmouthshire
Mary Waters   Daughter   Female   10   Langwm Ucha, Monmouthshire
Amelia Waters   Daughter   Female   6   Langwm Ucha, Monmouthshire
Abraham Waters   Son   Male   2   Langwm Ucha, Monmouthshire

WATTERS, ABRAHAM   Mmn    HARRY 
GRO Reference: 1849  M Quarter in OF CHEPSTOW  Volume 26  Page 75

1861 - above family have additional son Thomas born 1853 Mmn Harry, Francis not with his father.

William Waters   Head   M   72   Llanishen, Monmouthshire
Jane Waters   Wife   F   51   Llangwm Uchaf, Monmouthshire
Abraham Waters   Son   M   12   Llangwm Uchaf, Monmouthshire
Thomas Waters   Son   M   8   Llangwm Uchaf, Monmouthshire

WALTERS, THOMAS    Mmn   HARRY 
GRO Reference: 1853  M Quarter in CHEPSTOW  Volume 11A  Page 2

1881-  Francis & family is in Wind Street under Waters not Walters.

Francis Waters   Head   Male   42  Monmouthshire
Gwenllian Waters   Wife   Female   35   Cardiff, Glamorganshire
William Waters   Son   Male   14   Llanwonno, Glamorganshire
Edmund Waters   Son   Male   7   Llanwonno, Glamorganshire
Griffith Waters   Son   Male   4   Llanwonno, Glamorganshire
Alendar Davies   Lodger   Male   26    Monmouthshire
Arthur Jones   Boarder   Male   21   Monmouthshire

* Wonders if the surname is or was originally Waters or varients

Cas
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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Lewis - Ystradgynlias Breckonshire
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Yelland, Bray, Trethewey  - Cornwall

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Re: Francis Walters confusion
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 15:05 BST (UK) »
Thanks Cas.

I spent an entire morning down the local library trying to work on this. Couldnt even find a marriage for William. What avenue shall i go down now?

David.
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering


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Re: Francis Walters confusion
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 15:08 BST (UK) »
just about to post this likely marriage by banns
Llangwm 19 Feb 1834 William Waters of Wolvesnewton & Jane Harry otp, witnesses Thomas Harry & Hannah Williams, all mark.

 ;)
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Francis Walters confusion
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 15:16 BST (UK) »
baptism Llangwm 29 Jan 1849 for Anne, Mary, Amelia & Abraham children of William, labourer, & Jane Waters of Gairvawr?, Llangwm Ucha.
Thomas baptised 21 Feb 1853. Haven't found Francis as yet...
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Francis Walters confusion
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 05 June 19 15:41 BST (UK) »
Was just about to post bapts from Llan-Gwm Uchaf, St Jerome, Parish Register.  Info on freereg.

Well done on finding marriage Osprey

Francis age 73, still alive in last available census, still at Wind Street living alone, *states married.  The death you found is a good possible to be him.

* Wife visitor in household of Jenkin & family.

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Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Lewis - Ystradgynlias Breckonshire
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Yelland, Bray, Trethewey  - Cornwall