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Nobody Lives Forever
« on: Monday 10 June 19 13:06 BST (UK) »
My GGGrandfather was Elias Morrell, b. Manchester 1844, he married Elizabeth Smith from Liverpool b1842. They married in Liverpool in 1864 and had 5 children, the last Edward Shepherd Morrell b1872 being my GGrandfather. I can find no trace of either Elias' death or Elizabeth, they seem to have disappeared after 1871. The 1871 census has a record but it shows Elias as being born in 1833 and from Derbyshire, Elizabeth is there with all the children bar one all correct.
I have 1851 census, Elias living with parents, aged 6, in Manchester.
Elias pops up, I think, in 1886, at his daughters wedding in Birkenhead, Anne Jane Morrell to James Cardus...but I believe that does not mean he was there in person.
Its the deaths of Elias and Elizabeth that is puzzling? Don't think they emigrated...
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Re: Nobody Lives Forever
« Reply #1 on: Monday 10 June 19 13:22 BST (UK) »
Do you have the marriage cert of Elias and Elizabeth, that will show his father and age as I have found this death?


MORRELL, ELIAS       13 
GRO Reference: 1857  D Quarter in MANCHESTER  Volume 08D  Page 208

looks like the 1844 birth Elias.
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Re: Nobody Lives Forever
« Reply #2 on: Monday 10 June 19 13:30 BST (UK) »
I think he may have been older as his 1st Marriage was to Mary Ellen Gregory 1859.
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« Reply #3 on: Monday 10 June 19 13:40 BST (UK) »
For those trying to help;

1851 Census
Derbyshire
Samuel Morrell   41
Elizabeth Morrell 42 Farmer of 72 acres***
Samuel Elias Morrell 19
ELIAS Morrell 16, born Heage, Derbyshire, England****
Elizabeth Mary Morrell 11
Fredric Kent Morrell   7
Amelia Kent Morrell   4
Hannah Maria Morrell   2
Hannah Dannah   4
Elizabeth Baron   16
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Re: Nobody Lives Forever
« Reply #4 on: Monday 10 June 19 13:47 BST (UK) »
Father named on both marriages as Samuel Morrell, farmer.  1851 census has an Elias Morrell age 16 in Belper, Derbyshire ... son of Samuel and Elizabeth Morrell.

Marriage certs. both show Elias is a butcher. Presumably he should be showing in the 1861 census as such in Liverpool.

And here he is Trafalgar Court Liverpool

Elias Morrell butcher b Duffield Derbyshire 35
Mary E Morrell 20 b Duffield wife
Mary E Morrell 1 dau b Liverpool

Morrell may be transcribed as Morrill.

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 10 June 19 14:05 BST (UK) »
Could this be Elizabeth

First name(s)   Elizabeth
Last name   Smith Or Morrell
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Marriage year   1876
Marriage date   30 Jul 1876
Marriage place   Liverpool
Spouse's first name(s)   Thomas
Spouse's last name   Delves

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« Reply #6 on: Monday 10 June 19 14:08 BST (UK) »
Elizabeth in 1881 badly transcribed so she did remarry

Thomas Delnes   45
Elizabeth Delnes   35
Amelia P. Norrall   13
John S. Norrall   11
Edward S. Norrall   9
Thomas J. Delves   3
Henry Delves   2
Albert Delves   
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« Reply #7 on: Monday 10 June 19 14:10 BST (UK) »
Thomas Joseph Delves birth

   DELVES, THOMAS  JOSEPH     SMITH 
GRO Reference: 1877  J Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 162
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« Reply #8 on: Monday 10 June 19 14:18 BST (UK) »
1871 we have;
Elias Marvell   38
Elizabeth Marvell 25
Frederick Marvell 7
Ann Marvell   5
Amelia Marvell   3
John Marvell   1
Ellen Parks   27
John Parks    7
Mary Ann Parks   7 Months
Catharine Shaw   50

Yes a narrow window for Elias to have died or done a runner :)
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