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Re: John B WARD master of ship Canada 1810 where born married ,died
« Reply #9 on: Friday 14 June 19 13:00 BST (UK) »
Just a snippet. Seems a J Ward of Stockton (On Tees) was awarded certificate of Master Mariner on 17th Feb 1810. See attached. If it is your man, then at least you have place of birth/residence to go on.

From Lloyd's List  9 March 1809-1810. Page 260
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015005721876&view=1up&seq=260
CANADA Ward sailed from Gravesend (London) on 8/March/1810. For Rio Janeirio

Lloyd's List Should be a big help in trying to find the movements of CANADA but it needs time and patience to research it correctly.
It can be searched on line for the dates in question.
http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-list.html

Be aware that there were several ships with the name CANADA around in that time period.
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Re: John B WARD master of ship Canada 1810 where born married ,died
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 15 June 19 00:42 BST (UK) »
Thankyou Mr Seaweed
Details for the ship Canada (2) (1810)
Ship Name: Canada (2)   
Rig Type: S.
Built: Shields
Build Year: 1800
Size (tons): 393
 
Voyage Details
Master: John B. Ward
Surgeon: 
Sailed: 23 March 1810
From: England
Arrived: 8 September 1810
Port: PJ
Route: Rio
Days Travel: 169
Convicts Landed: 0 males & 121 female convict
Ill have a closer look later today..could I imagine that this record says sailed 23 March 1810 and LLoyds says 8th March 1810 for Rio be the same....A little confusing as with each convict trip the Canada did it says Canada 1 1801 ..Canada 2 1810... Canada 3 1815 and so on with different masters.
Compliment from Tasmania..Youre worth ya weight in Ice Cream..Thanks again Rick

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Re: John B WARD master of ship Canada 1810 where born married ,died
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 15 June 19 01:37 BST (UK) »
This bit from an old newspaper might help sorting out the date:

Manchester Mercury 06 March 1810

A few days ago Catherine Clements, a transport, was sent from the Chester County Gaol, to Woolwich, and put on board the transport ship Canada, now under orders for New South Wales .... (no further mentions of the ship in the article)

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Re: John B WARD master of ship Canada 1810 where born married ,died
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 15 June 19 03:32 BST (UK) »
Thankyou all....some red hot tips that led me to seaweeds tip...chasing a second opinion, with information received do you reckon this is our man??
carefully pinched from Ancestry....
Name:    John Ward
Gender:    Male
Event Type:    Baptism
Father:    John Ward
Mother:    Margt
Baptism Date:    2 Dec 1773
Baptism Place:    Stockton-on-Tees, Durham, England
Denomination:    Presbyterian
Piece Title:    Piece 0481: Stockton-on-Tees, High Street Chapel (Presbyterian), 1688-1779

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Re: John B WARD master of ship Canada 1810 where born married ,died
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 15 June 19 04:08 BST (UK) »
There are so many Captain John Wards' in the old newspapers so it might be a bit early to get your hopes up!
Can you give any info on why you are looking for this man?  Any idea of his age?  I'm hoping for some keywords to help in the newspaper hunt.

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Re: John B WARD master of ship Canada 1810 where born married ,died
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 15 June 19 07:40 BST (UK) »
Mary Preston was convicted of theft at London's Old Bailey and
transported to Port Jackson, New South Wales (not Brisbane) on the
"Canada" in 1810.  The voyage was a slow one, taking nearly six months
to reach NSW, leaving England in March, sailing via Rio de Janeiro, and
arriving at Port Jackson in September 1810.  Mary fell pregnant on the
journey.  Her daughter whom she named Mary Ward was born in early
February 1811 and baptised later that month, her baptism at the church
of St Phillip's and recorded under the heading of "baptisms of
illegitimate children in 1811". She was baptised as Mary Ward, and her
parents were named as James Ward and Mary Preston.

There is no James Ward listed - as far as records are available - as
crew of the Canada and there were no male convicts on this voyage.  The
presumption is that the ship's master, John Ward was most likely the
father, unless Mary just pcked a name out of a hat.  Nothing has been
found about John Ward, in spite of research by several descendants over
many decades.  It is thought he was most likely English or Scottish, but
with a fairly common name and no idea of his country or county of
origin, or his age, it is more than difficult to trace his origins
reliably - he may have had no connection with London.
OK that said....The Family here have had DNA done with familyfinder which has an area for ancestral surnames...People submit their DNA and surnames connected to their family. As we're not allowed to track descendants of this family that are alive, we have to wait
However every Ward that comes up as a distant cousin match we will be able to email and ask if they are from the Durham line.descending from the John B Ward [no one yet..one day we'll get a Bullseye...cant help wonder what the B stands for in his name....cheers and Thanks Rick

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Re: John B WARD master of ship Canada 1810 where born married ,died
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 15 June 19 10:57 BST (UK) »
Hi,

May I mention that the vessel's name was not Canada (2) .... it was simply Canada.  The (2) was an administrative notation used on convict records in NSW to separate each of that vessel's voyages transporting convicts  to NSW.  So (2) was the second time that THAT particular 'Canada' transported convicts to NSW.  The vessel may have arrived without any convicts on other earlier trips.

Re the baptism recorded in the parish register for St Phillips Sydney. .... Again,  may I express some gentle caution ... That particular register was significant as it was the main one receiving transmitted records from throughout all of the then administrative  area covered by the governorship of Lachlan Macquarie ... the actual baptism ceremony need not have been conducted in Sydney,  it may not have been conducted by a C of E clergyman and it may not have been for an infant..  Macquarie had issued a General Order in 1810 that required the clergy of any denomination to transmit quarterly returns for their baptisms and burials (and later that year he added marriages) to the NSW Chaplains.  St Phillips CofE waa responsible for those transmitted registrations. 

I will look through my NSW folders to see if I can help with any positive sightings.

ADD  ... NSW .... so there could be baptisms from what is now Tasmania and South Seas including NZ  ....

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Re: John B WARD master of ship Canada 1810 where born married ,died
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 15 June 19 11:50 BST (UK) »
Have you determined the details for the garrison troops who guarded the convicts during that voyage ....

I can find several transcriptions for Mary Preston's baby.  I will type them up in the morning- several ... so it may be one is a transmitted record ...or one s a summary....  I want to check something out first and it is too late in the evening for me to follow up further.   

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Re: John B WARD master of ship Canada 1810 where born married ,died
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 15 June 19 14:14 BST (UK) »

  Voyage Details
Master: John B. Ward
Surgeon: 
Sailed: 23 March 1810
From: England
Arrived: 8 September 1810
Port: PJ
Route: Rio
Days Travel: 169
Convicts Landed: 0 males & 121 female convict
Ill have a closer look later today..could I imagine that this record says sailed 23 March 1810 and Lloyd's says 8th March 1810 for Rio be the same.

 Further examination of Lloyd's List ( I did say it required time and patience) reveals on page 264
On the 14/March/1810. CANADA  No Master stated, sailed for Botany Bay. From Portsmouth. I believe  this should have read Arrivedin Portsmouth. Or was this vessel one of the others named CANADA?

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015005721876&view=1up&seq=264

The same publication states on page 270. CANADA, Ward. sailed Portsmouth for Port Jackson on the 24/March/1810
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015005721876&view=1up&seq=270

This tallies more or less with the information you already have.

If we knew the port of registry of CANADA records may reveal more details about Ward.

Don't know if you have this
http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/article/11113?SearchType=AtoZ&SearchStart=S&Page=2&ItemID=597971
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