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Thomas Wheller WILLIAMS of Llanvillo, County Brecon, Wales
« on: Tuesday 11 June 19 09:09 BST (UK) »
Hello,

Can someone please help me with some info?, I was given the name of a father for Thomas Wheller Williams born 1769, Llanvillo, County Brecon, Wales, I have been given the name William Thomas Cowin Williams born around 1744 as his father and unknown WHEELER for his mother....not sure if any of the info is correct.

I would like to find out if any of this info is correct only  if possible please, and if there are any siblings....here's hoping.

Thank you in advance.

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Re: Thomas Wheller WILLIAMS of Llanvillo, County Brecon, Wales
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 June 19 18:05 BST (UK) »
How did you get back to Thomas Wheeler Williams? When did he marry? Who are his children & when did he die? 

The only parish records for Llanfilo I've found so far are on FindmyPast. There is a burial for a Thomas Williams of Trevithe aged 63 27 Oct 1826 but no matching baptism.

No records of Wheelers in the parish.

Nothing in NLW wills either.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/Llanfilo

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Wheller WILLIAMS of Llanvillo, County Brecon, Wales
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 June 19 01:26 BST (UK) »
Thank you osprey for you reply, I don't know where the name Thomas Wheller (or Wheeler) WILLIAMS comes from, he is my 4th great grandfather and this was the info I was given, I do know his name was Thomas but unsure where the middle name fits in....this info has been in the family for many years, no one seems to follow up on it.

He came to Tasmania as a convict and married in Hobart in 1808, he died in 1851 again  in Hobart.

All children to the marriage were also born in Hobart.

I am not sure about the Wheeler person but everyone has Wheller so I am at a loss......may be best to just sit on it and wait even if nothing can be found.......thank you again...and thank you for the link.

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Re: Thomas Wheller WILLIAMS of Llanvillo, County Brecon, Wales
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 June 19 08:55 BST (UK) »
when and of what was he convicted? There may be a newspaper article.

What details are on his death certificate? Names of parents? Age?

What about his convict record? There's usually native place.

No trace of him in Llanfilo parish records so far.

Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Wheller WILLIAMS of Llanvillo, County Brecon, Wales
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 June 19 09:06 BST (UK) »
I live about three miles from Llanfilo and can actually see the village from here since I am down in the valley and Llanfilo is on the hillside!  I am wondering too if there would be any information in local newspapers.  I think the National Library of Wales has an archive section which is online - I'll have a look later and report back.

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Re: Thomas Wheller WILLIAMS of Llanvillo, County Brecon, Wales
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 13 June 19 07:20 BST (UK) »
This is the info I have for Thomas Wheller (Wheeler) WILLIAMS: hope it offers some help.

OF PA. LLANVILLO, COUNTY  OF BRECON, WALES

TRIED AT BRECON G.S. 28 March 1801, together with Thomas Price (q.v.) for burglariously stealing from the dwelling house of Thomas Pritchard of Pentwyn, parish of Llanvigan, BRECON, one sheet, one gown, six yards of flannel, eight cheeses, tea, gin and many other goods. Found guilty of stealing but not burglariously. Sentenced to transportation for fourteen years. Goaled at Brecon and transferred to the hulks at Portsmouth. Thomas arrived in Van Diemans Land aboard the "Calcutta" February 1804.

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Re: Thomas Wheller WILLIAMS of Llanvillo, County Brecon, Wales
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 13 June 19 08:15 BST (UK) »
the online newspapers from the National Library start in 1804 and I can't see anything in the other database I have access to.

I notice the phrasing, of the parish, that doesn't mean he was born there, just that he had been resident there. But Llanfilo baptisms for the period you want aren't online - they start from 1786, only marriages at that time.

There may be someone going to the Powys Archives who could check records for you. I'm not sure if the archives charge for research
https://en.powys.gov.uk/article/2178/Contact-us-with-a-query-about-Powys-Archives-records

The records are also at the NLW, but you would need to find a researcher to check records.
https://www.library.wales/visit/family-history/help/independentresearchers/
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Thomas Wheller WILLIAMS of Llanvillo, County Brecon, Wales
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 13 June 19 08:26 BST (UK) »
All family members have him being born in the info I forwarded to you, but like you say it doesn't really mean he was, I will try searching elsewhere and see what I can come up with, even if it is in vain at least I can say I tried...thank you so much for your help and fofr the links.

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Re: Thomas Wheller WILLIAMS of Llanvillo, County Brecon, Wales
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 13 June 19 08:47 BST (UK) »
the parish records for the period you need are NOT online. You need to use the archives or the NLW. These are the only places that have the records.


Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb