John Hope and Jane Bolton

[MonicaL]

A chink of light, Rosie...

Have a look at this tree (there are others). I like this one because it includes lots of photos as you move back and sideways to the connected lines www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/116883101/person/190159057208/facts

Also, www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:3SLG-3FL

We have Matthew Blythe and Elizabeth as potential parents to your John.

Elizabeth's maiden name looks to be Hope...(sorry missed your ealier mention of Hope from post #15)

Monica

[MonicaL]

Wherever John was born, this looks to be his christening:

John Blyth
Christening 01 Dec 1835 at KIRKNEWTON,NORTHUMBERLAND,ENGLAND
Father's Name    Matthew Blyth
Mother's Name    Elizabeth
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQG1-9HD

Brothers Andrew and David also look to have been born/ christened in Kirknewton:

David 1837 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NGSB-R4T
Andrew 1839 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWWB-D91

Likely this is where they may be in 1841...although, I still can't find them that year!

Monica

[Rosinish]

Rosie, Monica & Trish (good work folks)

I think the family are in Yetholm 1841? (SP)...

There are a squad of them, 3 families (25 people) all together.
Input only surname Blithe

BLITHE JOHN 24
811/ 3/ 15 Yetholm, Roxburgh

Elizabeth 20, Andrew 2, David 0

I haven't checked elsewhere (other sites)

Annie

[rosie17]

Perhaps this family is hard to track down as they are travellers, or gypsies. The last Queen of the Gypsies in Yetholm was Esther Faa BLYTHE
https://www.scottishgypsies.co.uk/esther.html

The occupations of 'mugger' (seller of earthen ware) and basket maker also point to them being gypsies.

Regards,
Lesley

Thanks for your information Lesley ..like Monica I thought mugger was crime related  till I Googled  it

Rosie

[rosie17]

Thanks Monica I would say you have found John's Birth  I did come across the birth for David and was going to check further today ..So you have  saved me some time I don't know how many census records I have looked at in 1841 different variations of the name ..I have checked out the death certificate for Mathew Blyth died 1888 Letholm his father was John Douglas ( Hawker ) mother Rachel Douglas ...Married to Elizabeth Hope ...I would say we are in the right track with John Blyth alias Hope ...been quite time consuming but very interesting thank you Monica for putting me on the right track

Rosie

[rosie17]

Rosie, Monica & Trish (good work folks)

I think the family are in Yetholm 1841? (SP)...

There are a squad of them, 3 families (25 people) all together.
Input only surname Blithe

BLITHE JOHN 24
811/ 3/ 15 Yetholm, Roxburgh

Elizabeth 20, Andrew 2, David 0

I haven't checked elsewhere (other sites)

Annie

you

Thanks Annie will check this out

Rosie

[rosie17]

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWWB-D91[/url]

Gro.gov record Andrew Blyth 1839 Glendale Union Northumberland mothers name Hope 

Rosie

[MonicaL]

I think the family are in Yetholm 1841? (SP)...

There are a squad of them, 3 families (25 people) all together.
Input only surname Blithe

BLITHE JOHN 24
811/ 3/ 15 Yetholm, Roxburgh

Elizabeth 20, Andrew 2, David 0

I think this group is the one that Trish mentioned earlier

1851 Census

John Blythe, 35, Hawker Earthen Ware, born Yetholm, Roxburghshire
Elisabeth Blythe, 30, born Yorkshire
Andrew Blythe, 12, born Yetholm
David Blythe, 10, born Yetholm
JOHN Blythe, 8, born Yetholm
Stewart Blythe, 5, born Carham, Northumberland
William Blythe, 3, born Yetholm
Martha Blythe, 1 mth, born Yetholm

Given the names of children, likely all connected family.

Matthew and his family still awol in 1841...

Monica

[rosie17]

Yes Monica seen that family also ...think they will all be connected still no Mathew Blyth maybe hiding somewhere  ...Just been ready up on the Gypsy families in Yetholm very interesting ...Just wish I could find a suitable death for John/Hope/Blyth

Rosie